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To: FITZ
I am going to give you a serious answer on how Bush is going to win. The Democrats have allowed the fringe left to set their agenda. As a result, every person with 2 brain cells has abandoned them. They are losing the Jewish vote, a large portion of the black and Hispanic vote and are losing independents 3 to 1. The GOP wrote off the far right in 1996. That so-called "base" was both non-existent it was an opposition party. The GOP has more than replaced the far right and single issue "conservatives" with a real "base" of traditional GOP conservatives and center right GOP moderates. This has been going on for over a decade and 911 caused a political earthquake that will be seen for a generation. The first example of that was in California. A moderate Republican won a landside victory DESPITE a "red meat conservative" and a flaming liberal. The California "conservatives" due to their "my way or the Hi-way" are now on the Hi-way. They have NO influence and that is now the fate of the unappeasable nationwide. They are as irrelevant as the pitiful democrats that are on the verge of nominating the idiot doctor of Vermont.

The real conservatives are still a powerful force in the GOP but the "my way or hi-way" fringe have been left in the dust. It will not take "massive voter fraud" for the GOP to win in 2004 it will just be an inevitable result of the far left and far right's self imposed mass suicide.

294 posted on 01/08/2004 1:20:17 AM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
I think some of the Jewish vote has switched --- but I'm really not sure there have been the massive conversions of the Clinton-Gore voters to the other side. I personally have not met one --- and this hispanic area I'm in is mostly democrat. The Democrats figured the Green fringe didn't matter either --- but that cost them the election --- Nader votes made a difference.

Also I live in an area that very strong supported Silvestre Reyes for his stance on the border and his willingness not to back down to complaints by the Mexican government.

296 posted on 01/08/2004 1:26:17 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Texasforever
Great analysis Tex!

I see it with my three Los Angeles siblings. I know my two sisters voted for Clinton/Gore, and I think my brother was a Perot/no vote guy. All three of them ... who live conservatively, have Masters Degrees and professional lives and family obligations .... voted for Arnold in October and will vote for George W. Bush in November. They couldn't wait to TELL me when I saw them over Christmas! LOL!

They're the "pendulum" of our great political experiment. If Bush became too much like the guys we deal with here every day, they'd swing back to a Clinton. It's the great equalizer ... folks that live their lives as great conservative Americans and have spot-on instincts about which movement is "too far gone."

Bush is so damn solid right now, I see it with my family and friends daily. If Arnold was eligible, he'd win in 2008. He's going to be a spectacular success in Kah-lee-foor-nya. All the great political talent right now are men and women the howler monkees here consider Neocon RINOs. They scratch exactly where America itches at this juncture of our history.

I'm jazzed!

307 posted on 01/08/2004 2:19:34 AM PST by ArneFufkin
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To: Texasforever; CWOJackson; ArneFufkin
***BANG!!!!***

Great post, and so true.

But I actually think that these hardliners were killed off, or at least relegated to irrelevance, by the Reagan revolution.

Headliners hate people, and love ideology, Reagan hated ideologies, but loved the people.

Reagan believed that America was unique because people could go to France, but never become French, or go to Germany, but never become German, but anyone could come to America and become an American. Hard liners believe they own America, that no one else can stake a claim to what they own, and if they could, would turn us into France, Germany, or some other decaying society (thanks WW).

They've been irrelevant for decades, and California was the ultimate proof.
341 posted on 01/08/2004 6:07:17 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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