To: CA Conservative
THE SCHEME SETS UP A STRUCTURE TO LET COMPANIES PUT LABOR OUT THE LOWEST BIDDER!
And the problem with that is...???? I belive that is called "capitalism", a very conservative concept. The problem is you're basically stacking the deck in favor of the employer. The reason there are so called "jobs that americans won't do" is because usually these jobs have very low pay and no benifits. As long as you keep a flood of people coming in from the third world who will work under those conditions, there's no reason for the conditions to change. If you pay someone enough, you'll have people willing to do any job. Americans will do the work, but a person living even a modest middle income lifestyle can't afford to work for $5.50/hr with basically no protections on the job.
If you were running a job such as asbestos removal, for example, and you didn't feel like paying extra $$$ for things like safety equipment and resparators who would you rather hire an american citizen with all the rights and protections afforded under OSHA and the EPA or an illegal mexican, who won't dare complain for fear of deportation? Take the same scenario, who's more likely to demand higher wages for hazardous work? Again, it isn't that americans are too lazy to work, but they won't work under slave conditions.
To: YankeeReb
"If you were running a job such as asbestos removal, for example, and you didn't feel like paying extra $$$ for things like safety equipment and resparators who would you rather hire an american citizen with all the rights and protections afforded under OSHA and the EPA or an illegal mexican, who won't dare complain for fear of deportation? Take the same scenario, who's more likely to demand higher wages for hazardous work? Again, it isn't that americans are too lazy to work, but they won't work under slave conditions."
I would think that under a regulated guest worker program. Wages would have to increase somewhat because employers couldn't threaten deportation if an immigrant worker refused to work in hazardous conditions. It seems to me that the increased wage would make the job slightly more competative.
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01/07/2004 3:43:07 PM PST by
Tempest
To: YankeeReb
If you were running a job such as asbestos removal, for example, and you didn't feel like paying extra $$$ for things like safety equipment and resparators who would you rather hire an american citizen with all the rights and protections afforded under OSHA and the EPA or an illegal mexican, who won't dare complain for fear of deportation? So you are fully supportive of the Bush program also? Since these workers will not be here illegally, they can report such dangerous conditions or violations of the law by employers without fear of getting into legal trouble themselves.
You seem to be evaluating the proposed program (legal guest workers) by the same criteria as the current situation (illegal immigrants). The two are not the same.
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