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I think your approach to this is the right one. Knee jerk responses don't do any good. Besides, for the most part, people who doubt GWB, usually end up having to eat some words don't they?!

I think that some people have forgotten that this man decided on war in Iraq, knowing full well that it could cost him his presidency if it failed. But he did it because it was the right thing to do. Not because it was the most popular.

A man like that tends to get the benefit of the doubt with me!

So, I will listen, contemplate and learn.

In my post #137, I listed some of the stuff that makes this seems helpful to me already. I may be way off base with my ideas, but like I said, I will be giving President Bush the benefit of the doubt and I will be giving him my vote, too!

I'm willing to HEAR HIM OUT. That's for sure.

I can see some positive things to this.

For one, if their families come to join them, there could be stipulations that if they get involved in CRIME they could be deported. Think about the ripple affect. If they are hanging with gangs, and they keep "company" with them. Wouldn't they perhaps consider that their ENTIRE family could be deported if they were here on a 3 year VISA if they were even remotely involved in GANG activity?

If this is done right, I could see it having positive REBOUND effects in a multitude of area's. Area's that we would have been playing "catch up" on for YEARS to come.

We both were concerned about the impact of Social Security.. but in the long run, if they start to pay into it and do for MANY YEARS.. then they deserve it no less than any of us do.

Plus, it begins the PROCESS of LEGAL immigration which NONE of us should object to. Other than my Cherokee ancestors, the rest of my Ancestors were privledged to have taken advantage of immigration policies and came to America via a legal process that allowed them access. They came from Ireland and Germany.

Homeland Security would have ON PAPER and by TRACKABLE MEANS the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants that are ALREADY HERE. Once this is accomplished, if a person is NOT on a 3 year VISA and isn't carrying a card, it sure makes it EASIER to take them in and DEPORT THEM!!!

We would be MUCH more secure.

Not all of these people will obey the laws and REMAIN in America. Not all of them will stay.

I say their FAMILIES have to show they can be good citizens too or RISK deportation. What a perfect way to address GANG activity, DRUG problems, and a host of other societal ills.

If handled right this could truly be a work of GENIUS.

I'm all for debating this .. but I can see the positive sides of it too.

FRegards, VH&W