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Conservatives simmer as spending mushrooms under Bush
AP ^

Posted on 01/05/2004 1:19:09 PM PST by G. Chapman

Conservatives simmer as spending mushrooms under Bush WASHINGTON (AP) — Conservatives wait warily as President Bush makes final decisions about his election-year budget, three years into an administration on whose watch spending has mushroomed by 23.7%, the fastest pace in a decade.

While Bush has emphasized repeatedly the need to rein in spending, overall federal expenditures have grown to an estimated $2.31 trillion for the budget year that started Oct. 1. That is up from $1.86 trillion in President Clinton's final year, a rate of growth not seen for any three-year period since 1989 to 1991.

Much of the increase stems from the fight against terrorism and wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Also expanding relentlessly have been huge programs such as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, which grow automatically with inflation, higher medical costs and more beneficiaries.

What has vexed conservatives most is the 31.5% growth since Bush took office in discretionary spending. That is the one-third of the budget lawmakers approve annually for defense, domestic security, school aid and everything else except Social Security and other benefits.

Such spending grew by an annual average of 3.4% during Clinton's eight years.

Further infuriating conservatives, Bush and the Republican-run Congress have enacted a $400 billion, 10-year enlargement of Medicare; $87 billion in expanded benefits for farmers; and $40 billion for increased veterans' payments and the Air Force's leasing and buying of refueling tankers.

"Re-election has become the focus of Republicans in the White House and Congress. And those in power have determined the road to staying in power is paved with government spending," said Brian Riedl, who monitors the budget for the conservative Heritage Foundation.

Mounting spending has combined with the recession and two major tax cuts to turn a four-year string of annual surpluses into deficits that last year hit $374 billion, the worst ever in dollar terms. Administration officials and private forecasters say red ink could hit $500 billion this year, with more to follow.

Things look bleak in the long run, too. Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has said the Medicare bill could cost from $1.7 trillion to $2 trillion during its second 10 years, as the huge baby boom generation retires and foists added costs on taxpayers.

"The U.S. budget is out of control," the investment bank Goldman, Sachs & Co. wrote its clients, projecting large deficits for the next decade. "Any thoughts of relief thereafter are a pipe dream until political priorities adjust."

In the new budget Bush is to send Congress on Feb. 2, Bush is expected to propose limiting the growth of discretionary programs to 4%, perhaps excluding defense and domestic security. Last February, Bush proposed holding discretionary spending increases to 4% this year and next, although aides now say he meant to exclude the military and anti-terror activities.

Discretionary expenditures will hit an estimated $873 billion this year, assuming the Senate completes a House-passed measure in January combining the year's seven remaining spending bills. That is $27 billion, or 3.2%, more than last year.

"President Bush has been resolute in pursuing his priorities of winning the war on terrorism, protecting the homeland and strengthening our economy. In pursuing those, he's also exercised fiscal restraint," said Joel Kaplan, deputy director of the White House budget office.

Critics say with nine months left in the government's budget year, there's plenty of time for more spending increases, such as for war costs. And they note this year's discretionary spending increase, though low, adds to boosts of 11% and then 15% in Bush's first two years as president.

"It's an administration that in principle is committed to controlling spending but is unwilling to make hard choices," said Maya MacGuineas, executive director of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a bipartisan anti-deficit group.

The administration says most discretionary spending increases have been for defense and programs it considers anti-terror — the Homeland Security Department and other domestic security efforts.

Of the $209 billion three-year discretionary increase under Bush, which includes $20 billion Bush added for homeland security for 2001 right after the Sept. 11 attacks, the administration says $159 billion has been for defense and domestic security.

That means 76% of the increases have been for those programs.

During that same period, spending for all remaining discretionary programs has grown from $331 billion to $381 billion. That's 15%, or 5% a year.

"There clearly is a need for the Republican majority to sharpen its pencils and return to its foundation of discipline" in spending, said conservative Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind.

"There is room for more restraint, especially as the economy recovers, but this is hardly the record of a domestic-program spending spree," White House budget chief Joshua Bolten wrote last month in The Wall Street Journal.


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To: Howlin
I don't know how to cut and paste a chart done in pdf, but go here, and see just how full of crap these "conservatives" truly are.

They are liberals sheep herding the unwashed masses in FR.

161 posted on 01/05/2004 8:39:20 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You and sinkspur should just chill. Sodomy is safe in America today even if our pocketbooks aren't.
162 posted on 01/05/2004 8:41:43 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Burkeman1
Right now they may be. But remember. At one time, the Republican party was a third party in a sense. Bush may very well have problems in NC. We've lost so many jobs in textiles, manufacturing, etc. that if those voters get any more riled they may very well cast protest votes for anybody but Bush.

And I have to say the solutions he and his lackey, Seatbelt Dole, here in NC offer, that all those laid off go back to school to become medical technicians is laughable. These are 40+ year old folks. Many don't have the high school education, let alone college education

163 posted on 01/05/2004 8:42:48 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Kevin Curry
"Sodomy is safe in America."

That means your Friday nights should be busy these days.

164 posted on 01/05/2004 8:44:24 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Lancey Howard
There is a huge amount of misinformation flying around in FR, spread purposedly by people who have been disguising themselves as conservatives in this site for a long time, yet the only consistent thing they've done, is work toward electing Democrats.

Notice how this article lauds Clinton, and attacks Bush, and how conveniently limits itself to comparing Bush's spending to Clinton's, whose idea of reducing the size of the Federal government was to decimate our Armed Forces...Federal employees all.

Bush is a wartime president, spending increases are common place for wartime presidents. The charts here, drawn in constant dollars, paint an entirely different picture that what these so called "conservatives" are trying to shove down everyone's throats in FR.

They know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that most posters in here will never take the time to actually verify their claims.

165 posted on 01/05/2004 8:50:03 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: G. Chapman
"There clearly is a need for the Republican majority to sharpen its pencils and return to its foundation of discipline" in spending, said conservative Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind.

Somebody ought to flip back through the calender a few years and inform Pence that the Taft Administration has left the building some time ago...

166 posted on 01/05/2004 8:50:19 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: billbears
Yes- the GOP was a third party and even at it's beginnings had divisions. The East Coast Northern GOP was far more "idealistic" with their anti slavery stance and fondness for interstate corporate hegemoney at the expense of states rights. The Mid Atlantic and Mid West states and territories were more interested in seeing their squatter's rights recognized and having de jure legal tital to their land than merely de facto. What drove hundreds of thousands of sons of the midwest and mid atlantic states into the malestrom of the Civil War was not "abolition" or love of the "Negroe"- but pure self interest- the recognition of their property holdings that the GOP campaigned on and that Lincoln delivered in 1862.
167 posted on 01/05/2004 8:52:44 PM PST by Burkeman1 ("If you see ten troubles comin down the road, nine will run into the ditch before they reach you")
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Fifth chart down, in the little box on the chart Note: The early 2003 estimate for President George W. Bush is probably too low

Your figures are before the massive spending in healthcare handouts (chart was developed on 6/13/03) and even if that weren't the case he had already spent more money than his father or Reagan. Of course, Reagan just had to win the Cold War.....I'd like to see that same chart this year

168 posted on 01/05/2004 8:53:23 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Burkeman1
And I used to think that was what would happen to the Democrat Party over time. Unfortunately with Bush, it may very well split the Republican party for good. I think your first post had it right. If conservatives don't see a change after 2004 and some conservative judges, the Republicans may lose many by '06
169 posted on 01/05/2004 8:55:38 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Burkeman1
I guess doing the hard work of local campaigning and actually building a consituency from the grassroots up is beneath them?

No, dealing with the smoky back rooms where political whores ply their trade is. Why on earth should anyone with any principles at all vote for the Republicrats? They have been given everything they asked for: both houses of congress and the presidency. What have they given in return? More deficits, 27% increase in discretionary spending and a brand new, greedy-geezer drug plan. Until people start voting their conscience, they will have politicians with no conscience.

170 posted on 01/05/2004 8:55:59 PM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: billbears
The worst critics of Bush's spending estimate that his total will come in at around 21% of the GDP, Reagan and Bush I were higher than 22%.

The plans you are discussing were included.

Reagan had to win a Cold Warm, we are fighting a hot war, in constant dollars, Bush should spend $100 billion less than Reagan.

Would you say that your ideal president would cut down Federal spending, reduce the size of the Federal government, and take a tough stance on immigration?

171 posted on 01/05/2004 8:57:56 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: billbears
I think your first post had it right. If conservatives don't see a change after 2004 and some conservative judges, the Republicans may lose many by '06.

What point would there be left to vote GOP if we lose this election to Dean and he appoints left wing judges? And if Bush wins but gives us the finger and appoints even "moderate" judges many conservatives will be gone for good.

172 posted on 01/05/2004 9:00:14 PM PST by Burkeman1 ("If you see ten troubles comin down the road, nine will run into the ditch before they reach you")
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To: Texas Federalist
We are fighting a REAL war, a GLOBAL hot war. This is not about positioning, it's about fighting.
173 posted on 01/05/2004 9:00:48 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Thanks for the post.

Yes, FR is an absolute nightmare for the left and for the Democrats, and it has been since the Clinton impeachment days. Anybody who does not realize that there is a constant presence here by operatives of the left (paid and rogue) is naive. Infiltration means selling oneself as a conservative. This takes time and patience and lots of convincing posts.

The next step is to become a disenchanted conservative. Work this up to a boil for a year or so and then finally proclaim disgust with the "betrayal" of conservatism by Bush and the Republican party, etc.

The thing is, these mice are so easily sniffed out by most veteran freepers that the mice end up together, alone on their own threads massaging each other in one big happy circle-jerk, lol. I stay away from them anymore.

Regards,
LH

174 posted on 01/05/2004 9:01:42 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Starwind
I have a huge file on facts and figures on this, I'll try to whittle it down and FReemail you the gist of them, along with pertinent links.
175 posted on 01/05/2004 9:02:41 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Would you say that your ideal president would cut down Federal spending, reduce the size of the Federal government, and take a tough stance on immigration?

Yes, and since Bush is not planning on doing any of that, I say the Republican party should nominate a conservative to run. Unless you're going to try to convince me that spending 400 billion over the next ten years and estimates upwards of 2 trillion in the second ten years on a boondoggle of a healthplan is somehow limiting government

176 posted on 01/05/2004 9:03:46 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"There is a huge amount of misinformation flying around in FR, spread purposedly by people who have been disguising themselves as conservatives in this site for a long time, yet the only consistent thing they've done, is work toward electing Democrats."

You are so smart! Remind me to never believe a word you say. By the way most of the charts only go to 2002. I see one rather interesting spike in a ceartin blue line that is just begining right about then. The rest of the charts only estimate the current years. I have heard that the national debt has now gone up to 6 trillion dollars. We just insituted a huge medicare bill which does not even begin to show up in the numbers yet. Are you waiting for the bricks to hit you in the head. The only thing I agree in raising spending on is the military.
In any case it is far more than about fiscal matters. The constitution is being desecrated in the last 3 years. And we are being over whelmed by illegal imagrants, H1 visa's and jobs going over seas. I can look out my window and see that. I can't imagine the kinds of jobs they say are being added. They sure are not normal middle class jobs.
177 posted on 01/05/2004 9:05:38 PM PST by Revel
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To: Luis Gonzalez
We are fighting a REAL war, a GLOBAL hot war.

And thank GOD we have an army of greedy-geezers armed with free prescription drugs ready to storm up any hill occupied by Al-Queda terrorists!

178 posted on 01/05/2004 9:06:30 PM PST by Nanodik (Libertarian, Ex-Canadian)
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To: Lancey Howard
The good thing is that you are winning, and not the real conservatives. That way when we end up in a total hopless mess then we can blame you.
179 posted on 01/05/2004 9:09:02 PM PST by Revel
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To: billbears
Then here's your perfect candidate, go work on getting elected to something, he's not busy these days.
180 posted on 01/05/2004 9:10:01 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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