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To: CWOJackson
It's war, we take casualties

They were good people and their souls are with god now

Pray for their families and continue the mission

The ship was refueling in stream away from docks for force protection reasons

Any reluctance to shoot on the part of deck sentries is attributable to the ship's chain of command not Zinni

Yeah they got blown up and 17 of them died. It's a shame

But do you honestly believe a CINC sat in his HQ and did nothing but track the USS Cole and issue it orders personally?

He was responsible for the Cole just like I was responsible for everything as a company and Battalion level commander

I wise old captain told me right before I took the flag that on any given day in my command something was ahppening that I was responsible for, didn't know about and could get me relieved.

All you can do is create a decent command climate, give the unit a good azimuth to work along and trust your people.

Zinni did that, his decision was fundamentally correct. It didn't work out. That's all. People died.

I'm sure it troubled him deeply, I'm also sure he had the hardness of characterto realize that he was not wrng and that Yemen is important to our national strategy in the middle east

So you want us to never go to Yemen again because there are terrorists there and they might strike us?

71 posted on 12/31/2003 9:49:27 PM PST by Qatar-6
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To: Qatar-6
Ships have several means of defense; armor, electronics, manuever, co-support, detectors, weapons systems.

Even a young seaman knows that tied up in port a ship is basically defenseless, that is why our ports provide security for the ships within them.

" It's war, we take casualties."

That wasn't war, it was gross incompetence.

" Any reluctance to shoot on the part of deck sentries is attributable to the ship's chain of command not Zinni."

Shoot what...a harbor FULL of boats and people. Get real, there is no way a handful of people on the deck with small arms and no security zone could protect the ship...and that is Zinni's fault. He put them in that position.

"Yeah they got blown up and 17 of them died. It's a shame."

No, it should have been criminal. What's a shame is how some folks are attempting to gloss over Zinni's incompetence and political nature.

"All you can do is create a decent command climate, give the unit a good azimuth to work along and trust your people."

What? Not just make them a sitting target with no means of protecting themselves.

72 posted on 12/31/2003 9:57:11 PM PST by CWOJackson
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