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¿Habla Español? Your kids may soon
The Skagit Valley Herald ^
| 12/01/2003
| Steve Howie
Posted on 12/30/2003 7:27:17 PM PST by MontN
¿Habla Español? Your kids may soon
By STEVE HOWIE
MOUNT VERNON The school district is studying the possibility of converting one or more of its six elementary schools into dual language programs where the day is divided between lessons in Spanish and English for all students.
"Research says that's the best delivery model," Superintendent Mack Armstrong said. "Then the question is, Why wouldn't we do it?"
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Armstrong's enthusiasm for the idea follows a visit to the district two weeks ago by Richard Gomez, bilingual education director for the state education department in Olympia.
In the last three years, Gomez has spearheaded efforts to create 17 dual language schools in the state, primarily in eastern Washington. In his previous job in Texas, he helped establish 50 of the schools.
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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: aliens; bilingual; school; spanish
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To: MontN
India remained united as a country when the British left because it declared English as the official language of the country. This country can't be just two languages if it goes down that road - how dare we leave out the other minorities. English is the glue of this country. I for one don't want it to come unglued.
And answer me please why it is okay to teach Spanish immersion for English speaking kids because it works best, but Spanish speaking kids need bi-lingual, not immersion?
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posted on
12/30/2003 7:59:11 PM PST
by
pacpam
(action=consequence applies in all cases)
To: RWR8189
"My kids will never learn Spanish. If they want to learn a foreign language, it can be German." My colleagues and I make a comfortable living thanks to something called emerging markets and knowing Spanish is the key to it. Germany has one of the strongest economies in Europe but instead of learning German I would go for Chinese
Numbers make the world go around.
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:00:55 PM PST
by
Ed_NYC
To: cyncooper
Just as we advocate students coming to the U.S. who do not speak English to be immersed in it, so students learning another language would experience the same. The dual language programs I am familiar with do not include immersion. They fail to educate in either language.
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:01:25 PM PST
by
c-b 1
To: Glenn
Whatever happened to Latin? Español es cerca de Latin. Italiano es màs cerca.
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:05:05 PM PST
by
Ben Chad
To: RWR8189
German won't be very useful to them.
I'm totally against any language other than English being used by government in official business, but to refuse to let your children learn Spanish seems to be cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:05:10 PM PST
by
Guillermo
(It's tough being a Miami Dolphins fan)
To: cyncooper
Yep. I'm still mad my daughter never had a chance to get in a program like this. I once judged some poetry and drama competitions done in Spanish by kids in language programs in schools all over the state. Some third graders came in from one of these dual-language programs, and just blew everybody else away. Their pronunciation, verb conjugation, everything was absolutely great. All these little blonde haired, blue-eyed kids (and others as well) speaking fluent Spanish. It put to shame all the slacker high schoolers who only get about 2.5 hours of classroom instruction in the language each week.
I see nothing sinister in this at all. I think every child should be fluent in another language (Spanish, German, Arabic, whatever). If the resources are available to do this in a charter school, I'd say "que lo hagan."
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:06:09 PM PST
by
Choose Ye This Day
(Be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only... (James 1:22))
To: pacpam
Spanish speaking children NEED to learn English.
English speaking children SHOULD learn Spanish.
I do not believe in bilingual arrangements.
I do believe in immersion learning, because it is the best.
Let us not confuse one issue with the other. Don't beat your chest and stick your head in the sand, at the same time.
To: c-b 1
The dual language programs I am familiar with do not include immersion. They fail to educate in either language. You fail to mention that many uni-language programs fail to educate.
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:07:07 PM PST
by
Ben Chad
To: marron
It didn't work very well, actually, mostly the American kids just sat there and looked at each other. One of my kids is in dual language but it's not working that well. The American kids (including Mexican-American) aren't picking up Spanish --- and when the Mexican kids are exposed to English, it's all they want to speak. They'll be putting the emphasis back on "bilingual" which really means monolingual Spanish. They can't let these kids learn English and integrate.
Also if they require a language it shouldn't be one particular foreign language over any of the others. Just offer several foreign languages -- including Spanish and let them choose.
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:07:24 PM PST
by
FITZ
To: MontN
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:08:17 PM PST
by
Scenic Sounds
(Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
To: cyncooper
This is not about training a second language. This is about teaching core classes in non-english. This is damaging.
To: The Bronze Titan
English speaking children SHOULD learn Spanish. You mean English speaking children SHOULD learn Spanish, or French, or German, or Russian, or Latin, or Greek, or Japanese, or Swahali, or Arabic........
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:08:50 PM PST
by
FITZ
To: FITZ
You mean English speaking children SHOULD learn Spanish, or French, or German, or Russian, or Latin, or Greek, or Japanese, or Swahali, or Arabic........ Good point except did you really mean to include French?
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:11:12 PM PST
by
Ben Chad
To: RWR8189
Why not, assuming you could control trier lives, why would you want to do that.
To: longtermmemmory
They've got a problem. We must become mulit-cultural, multi-language etc. But the English speaking kids do better on standardardized tests (even when they're Spanish surnamed). They translate the tests into Spanish for the Spanish speaking kids and they do just as badly. It's not fair and we can't achieve this multi-cultural society with this happening. So make all the kids Spanish speaking and they can do equally poorly.
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:12:18 PM PST
by
FITZ
To: cyncooper
Why Spanish then? Why not Latin?
Lest you think me a xenophobe, let me cite an example of someone I admire. About three years ago we met an elderly gentleman of Mexican descent who came to the US as a child and worked in the fields, worked to learn English so well that he achieved the American dream, served in the armed forces and later went on to teach medicine at UCLA. His family CHOSE to learn English as Americans so they could achieve a better life for their children. They kept their culture but excelled because they learned to integrate into the American culture.
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:12:19 PM PST
by
MontN
To: Ben Chad
Well yes --- for the sissy kids.
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:13:53 PM PST
by
FITZ
To: FITZ
I could imagine a dual-language program that could work but it would have to be rigorous, and everyone involved would have to be motivated. Thats hard to do across the board in a public school setting. It may be possible as a special program offered that kids can volunteer for. But, as I say, the only example I am personally familiar with didn't work very well. It wasn't "rigorous" and the kids weren't motivated.
What they did was to offer the hard classed in English, and the "soft" classes, such as art, music, and gym, in Spanish. But the classroom spanish study was not sufficient and consequently the kids were clueless. And, frankly, didn't care, either.
But I would like to see more importance attached to foreign language training. At one time Spanish was commonly taught in the lower grades, and Spanish, French, and German were common in the upper grades. I don't know what happened to all of that, but its gone in a lot of places.
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:19:00 PM PST
by
marron
To: FITZ
Also if they require a language it shouldn't be one particular foreign language over any of the others. Just offer several foreign languages -- including Spanish and let them choose. Budgets may vary. Also, take a scan of your radio and TV stations --- how many Russian, German, French, Italian, Portugese, etc. stations do I get? Zero. How many in Spanish? 10-20 in Dallas Tx. I took Latin in HS. It was a complete waste of time because there were no opportunities outside of Catholic churches to hear the language in practice. Es verdad?
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:19:07 PM PST
by
Ben Chad
To: FITZ
Has Pree Republic become the official mouthpiece of the Know-Nothing Party?
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posted on
12/30/2003 8:20:44 PM PST
by
JusPasenThru
(Reasoning with a man is futile when his opinions were not reached by reason in the first place.)
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