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1 posted on 12/29/2003 7:09:32 PM PST by Pikamax
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What did Britain do to deserve The Guardian?
2 posted on 12/29/2003 7:10:55 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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anybody know the situation with the US probes?
3 posted on 12/29/2003 7:12:19 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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Those of us who have been collectors of British Iron for decades surely know the cause of sleeping beagles.

Lucas, the Prince of Darkness was the prime contractor for the electrical system.

4 posted on 12/29/2003 7:14:25 PM PST by blackdog (I'm hooked on phonics but smoking it is not so easy.)
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Heroic Failure=second place=first loser.
5 posted on 12/29/2003 7:17:43 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I may have been born, poor white trash, but Fancy is my name.)
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For the latest update on the Beagle2,, Most recent news», read the latest report from the media centre. News following this morning's press briefing has been posted.

Or read it below.. :-)


Summary

The latest attempts to communicate with Beagle 2 via the Lovell Telescope at Jodrell Bank and the Mars Odyssey spacecraft have been unsuccessful. However, the Beagle 2 team has not given up hope and continues to be optimistic that efforts to contact the lander will eventually be successful.

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This message was also reinforced by Lord Sainsbury, UK Minister for Science and Innovation, who this morning joined members of the Beagle 2 team to answer questions about the status of the project.

"While we're disappointed that things have not gone according to plan, we are determined that the search should go on, both the search to make contact with Beagle 2 and also (the search) to answer the long term question about whether there is life on Mars," said Lord Sainsbury.

"There's clearly still a good opportunity to make contact with Beagle 2 with Mars Express when it comes into action, and that has to be the first priority at this point. I think everything is being done by the 'tiger team' in Leicester to make contact with Beagle 2 and I want to wish them every success in their efforts."

"We are looking at a number of possible failure modes that we might do something about," said Dr. Mark Sims, Beagle 2 mission manager from the University of Leicester.

"We are working under the assumption that Beagle 2 is on the surface of Mars and for some reason cannot communicate to us. In particular, we're looking at two major issues. One is communications, and there are also related timing and software issues.

"We've got a few more Odyssey contacts, the last one being on 31 December. Then we have four contacts with Mars Express already pre-programmed into Beagle, assuming the software is running, on 6, 12, 13 and 17. The 6 and 12 are when Mars Express is manoeuvring into its final orbit, so they are not optimum for Beagle 2 communications. The 13th and 17th are very good opportunities for Mars Express."

According to Dr. Sims, one of the scenarios the team was investigating - a timer and hardware reset - now seems unlikely, and can probably be ruled out. However, other possible slips of the onboard time may have been caused by software or problems of copying data between various parts of memory. Possibly, all of the stored command times have been lost.

"None of these can yet be eliminated," he said.

After the tenth contact attempt, Beagle 2 will move into communication search mode 1 (CSM 1), taking advantage of the ability of the software on board Beagle 2 to recognise when dawn and dusk occur on Mars by measuring the current feeding from the solar arrays.

"When we get into CSM 1 mode, Beagle 2 will start putting additional contacts on its time line, independent of the clock value," said Mark Sims. "This will happen after 31 December."

The team is also looking at sending blind commands to Beagle 2. This is helped by Beagle going into CSM 1 mode.

"The team has come up with a method of fooling the receiver into accepting commands without having to talk back to the orbiter," said Dr. Sims. "We have an agreement with JPL to reconfigure Odyssey to provisionally attempt this on 31 December, the last programmed Odyssey pass."

Malin Space Science Systems has also provided the Beagle 2 team with a picture of the landing site taken by the camera on Mars Global Surveyor 20 minutes after the spacecraft's scheduled touchdown. It shows that the weather was quite good on the day Beagle landed, so it was unlikely to be a factor in the descent. The next opportunity to image the landing site with Mars Global Surveyor will not be until 5 January.

The image showing the centre of Beagle 2's landing ellipse also shows a 1 km wide crater. There is just an outside possibility that the lander could have touched down inside this crater, resulting in problems caused by steep slopes, large number of rocks or disruption to communication from the lander. This image is now available on the Beagle 2 and PPARC Web sites (see link on the right hand side).

While the Lander Operations Control Centre in Leicester continues its efforts to communicate with the Beagle 2, Lord Sainsbury took the opportunity to inform the media that the UK government is keen to continue the innovative robotic exploration effort begun with the lander.

"Long term we need to be working with ESA to ensure that in some form there is a Beagle 3 which takes forwards this technology," he said. "I very much hope that the Aurora programme, which is now being developed by ESA, will take forward this kind of robotic exploration.

"We've always recognised that Beagle 2 was a high risk project, and we must avoid the temptation in future to only do low risk projects.

"I'd like to use this opportunity to add my thanks to all those helping our efforts to make contact with Beagle 2. I think the amount of international collaboration one gets on these occasions is very, very impressive and very encouraging to the team."

"We should not ignore the importance of Mars Express, which has three British-designed instruments on board and which looks set for success," he added.

"Finally, can I use this opportunity to wish the Americans every success with its two Mars Exploration Rovers, Spirit and Opportunity."


7 posted on 12/29/2003 7:17:59 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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Anyone know why the British have yet to manufacture and market a single computer?

The engineers have studied various design ideas but have yet to figure out just how to get them to leak oil.

OTOH, all kidding aside, the British have the best machinists on the globe. Small quantity. All hand made. But the best.

8 posted on 12/29/2003 7:19:14 PM PST by blackdog (I'm hooked on phonics but smoking it is not so easy.)
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the Beagle snatched defeat from the jaws of victory

There is, in fact, no evidence that victory was ever a possibility.

Not a very interesting article, but I loved the take on the Scots and the Irish.

11 posted on 12/29/2003 7:26:26 PM PST by irv
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I suspect the hand of Joseph Lucas somewhere in here.
12 posted on 12/29/2003 7:34:37 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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bump
13 posted on 12/29/2003 7:34:46 PM PST by RippleFire
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I don't usually say this, but perhaps it might be in Mr. Jeffries' best interest to start drinking more. Lighten up, dude!
15 posted on 12/29/2003 7:42:03 PM PST by Dont Mention the War
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UK did fairly well overall until they started electing the Labour party into power.
This idiot is forgetting inventions like .. the hovercraft, jump-jets (Harriers), the jet engine, penicillin and so on.

Still, what do you expect from a Guardian writer ?
17 posted on 12/29/2003 7:50:11 PM PST by 1066AD
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The last paragraph must be cut off...the universal leftist conclusion -- where they end up blaming Bush -- is missing.
20 posted on 12/29/2003 8:05:56 PM PST by Jackson Brown
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After all, the Beagle 2 isn't the only Martian probe to go awol. Nasa's have done so with considerably regularity for five decades...

Mars is ALWAYS unkind to probes from earth. Only something like 9 out of 32 or so have made it. hmmmmmm......(listen to Art Bell for the details). NASA techs always suspect what they call the GGG (Great Galactic Ghoul) until they can pin down exactly what goes wrong with Mars probes. Be they American, Russian, or British, the GGG does not discriminate...it eats them all (well, 2/3 of them anyway).

21 posted on 12/29/2003 8:06:39 PM PST by thatdewd
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Good God Europe Sucks.
22 posted on 12/29/2003 8:09:30 PM PST by Porterville (Every time a liberal speaks an angel is shackled in chains.)
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One thing you can say for the British: they have really crappy health care.
23 posted on 12/29/2003 8:18:51 PM PST by Agnes Heep
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SIGH!
24 posted on 12/29/2003 8:20:45 PM PST by keithtoo (DEAN - He's Dukaki-riffic!!!! - He's McGovern-ous!!! - He's Mondale-agorical!!!)
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Computer glitch? Maybe this is Redmond Wa operational screwup after all!
26 posted on 12/29/2003 8:33:26 PM PST by xp38
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Of course you can always take the do nothing route. Then there will not be failure. Then there is no progress and so on. Parley
27 posted on 12/29/2003 8:42:55 PM PST by Parley Baer
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Sigh!

The Answer--as ALWAYS--is a HUMAN (Manned) expedition to Mars.

After (What?--8) Mars "Probe" Failures, it's Time to send a Team of Properly Trained Scientists "Up There" to "Get It Right!!"

It's CLEAR that our "RoboTechnology" simply Isn't Up To IT!!

So Let's SAVE Some Money, & Do It Right--Let's Send the BEST "Sensors" in our Inventory to Investigate the place; Let's send a MANNED EXPEDITION!!----

Or Let's NOT--& let China, Japan, India, etc. GET THERE FIRST!!

Frankly, I would "Rather That" the "Language" Spoken on the Moon & Mars be English--NOT Chinese or Hindu!!

Doc

28 posted on 12/29/2003 8:52:36 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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Who cares? The British invented Viagra.
30 posted on 12/29/2003 9:11:43 PM PST by moyden2000
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