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To: buccaneer81
These dweebs need to answer a couple questions.

How many murders are committed by people with a license to carry?

Where it is known that a wide percentage of people do carry, how many murders and armed robberies were prevented?

It's a bit like the phony semi-automatic assault rifle (with background checks) issue. Like with FULL automatic rifles, there is not one known case where people who own fully automatic rifles (WITH the background check and license required) have EVER committed a murder.

Fully automatic weapons ARE legal in 35 states. As long the receiver was produced before 1986 it can be owned by a private citizen.

There are 10s of thosuands of "AUTOs" that are legally owned in the US and NOT ONE LEGAL FULL AUTOMATIC WEAPON HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN A CRIME SINCE 1930's.

People who are willing to have the background checks required to get a legal right to carry -- under present laws -- do NOT commit murder...but they often PREVENT IT!
31 posted on 12/26/2003 5:54:23 PM PST by Jackson Brown
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To: Jackson Brown
There are 10s of thosuands of "AUTOs" that are legally owned in the US and NOT ONE LEGAL FULL AUTOMATIC WEAPON HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN A CRIME SINCE 1930's.

You should qualify that with "no CIVILIAN-OWNED" full-auto weapon has been involved in a crime. There was one incident where a full-auto weapon was used in a hit -- but the hit man was an off-duty police officer. I'll try to dig up the link

77 posted on 12/26/2003 7:31:55 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me, had better run away real fast)
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To: Jackson Brown
I found the cite:
Crime with Legally Owned Machine Guns

In 1995 there were over 240,000 machine guns registered with the BATF. (Zawitz, Marianne,Bureau of Justice Statistics, Guns Used in Crime [PDF].) About half are owned by civilians and the other half by police departments and other governmental agencies (Gary Kleck, Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control, Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York, 1997.)

Since 1934, only one legally owned machine gun has ever been used in crime, and that was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies.

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Thanks to the staff of the Columbus, Ohio Public Library for the details of the Waller case.


78 posted on 12/26/2003 7:37:14 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me, had better run away real fast)
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