Your gubbermint seized your guns and now your croc hunters must make do with their children's toy bow and arrows.
Posted on 12/25/2003 2:17:29 PM PST by SUSSA
Edited on 12/26/2003 7:55:16 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
Good ol' Skipper.
Your pus keeps flowing, but the abscess never drains.
Are you responding to my question about your government down there or your brilliant military history of allowing incompetent English generals to slaughter your soldiers and sailors?
So remind me again. What year was it that you people actually allowed a representative of the English monarchy to dissolve your elected government. Wasn't that in the 1980's?
We are discussing generalship here aren't we?
So you believe the position he espouses is deliberately ingnored by Bush, et. al.? Might there be more than one way to approach and accomplish our objectives? Do you think some actions might have short term advantages but are long term losers -- pyrric positions as it were?
Your gubbermint seized your guns and now your croc hunters must make do with their children's toy bow and arrows.
Yes, they followed their orders from their ENGLISH LORDS AND MASTERS and their own officers did absolutely nothing to stop the slaughter...as for the New Zealanders, naw, I wouldn't mock them, they actually do have some spine and don't continue to bow down to English monarchs.
My own opinion, while of no significance in the larger picture, is that the offensive operation was proper and timely. The after action occupation has been a victim of a force structure that is inconsistent with the mission to be performed. The SecDef's "transformation" has a sound philosophical underpinning but is too heavily influenced by those movers & shakers in the defense industrial complex who have serious vested interests in the changes on the horizon.
A rote condemnation of critics of policy like Clark, Zinni, Colonel Pat Hayes, and the others is a confession of abdicating the critical thought process expected of educated and thinking persons to those in the Administration's spin machine.
You haven't a clue, blowhard.
The Australians and New Zealanders followed orders given by their senior officers, which is what you're accusing Zinni of not doing. Making you a hypocrite as well as a coward, because the Kiwis were in the same boat as the Aussies. You didn't criticise their Gallipoli dead when you were in NZ, because you wouldn't have got home with any teeth left. Only on the Internet do your kind feel safe enough to slur dead heroes.
Actually the senior Australian officers passed on the orders given to them by their English lords, and repeatedly ordered their men into the slaughter...never once standing up to their English lords.
And as I mentioned before, I actually admire the New Zealanders...they don't grovel to the representative of a foreign monarch...you know, they way you people allowed your English overseeing to dissolve your elected government with nary a whimper. And we're talking less then 20 years ago...I doubt the French would have even put up with that.
As for slurring your dead heros...dude, you're the folks who needlessly made them dead for the English. That's the slur.
Another lie.
The Aussies and the Kiwis followed the orders of their senior officers, at Gallipoli- despite protests, particularly at the Nek and Lone Pine. it was a British-led invasion, in the same way Iraq was an American-led invasion. You have no idea what you're talking about, but you feel safe making these cowardly slurs on our dead, from behind your computer. I find it revealing of your hypocrisy that you accuse Zinni of not following orders, and the Aussies of following orders. For a lonely shut-in like yourself, who logged onto FR early on Christmas Day for hours of insulting fellow Freepers, I guess any slur's a good one? What you don't seem to realise is that to insult our glorious dead, in order to get at me, says more about the sickness in your soul than anything they did.
There is no comparison between senselessly bowing down and dying, or having your own people slaughtered, for incompetent foreign leaders and the U.S. operations in Iraq.
Zinni is not disobeying orders, nor is he leading troops into battle, nor is he groveling at the feet of a foreign monarch. He is an American officer talking out of turn.
Of course these things are difficult to understand in your position...we threw off our English lords over 200 years ago.
Gallipoli was a British-led invasion. Your ignorance on that is only matched by your hypocrisy on blaming the Aussies and Kiwis for not following their orders there, while simultaneously saying Zinni should follow his orders. But both personality traits are overwhelmed by your cowardice, because you didn't have the guts to express your contempt about the ANZACs while actually in New Zealand. You save that for when you're back home, in front of your computer.
"Gallipoli was a British-led invasion."
Wrong, it was a British lead senseless slaughter.
"Your ignorance on that is only matched by your hypocrisy on blaming the Aussies and Kiwis for not following their orders there, while simultaneously saying Zinni should follow his orders."
You are very confused. The ANZACS DID follow their orders. They repeatedly charged off to slaugher and death. Their own senior officers followed the orders of their incompetent English general and watched their men charge off to slaughter repeatedly.
I never said Zinni didn't follow orders...he is speaking out of turn and place, and in a political situation, not a combat situation.
"But both personality traits are overwhelmed by your cowardice, because you didn't have the guts to express your contempt about the ANZACs while actually in New Zealand."
You would be surprised. Many New Zealanders are angry over the memory of Gallipoli and yes, I've discussed it with my peers there more then once. Now you Aussies on the other hand are an unusual people. Here in America we celebrate people like Lewis and Clark, who lead a very small expedition successfully across this continent.
While I can't recall their names, you Aussie celebrate the memory of people and their expeditions of discovery that ended in utter disaster (I can look their names up if you wish...interesting reading though, hugh expeditions, many months to prepare, all with the same results...dead fools celebrated today). Perhaps that is why you consider Gallipoli something to be proud of.
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