are you serious? Their treatment here in the US is worse than the treatment they receive in Mexico? They are victims because we provide them opportunities to work so that they and their families don't starve to death? Educating their children for free and footing the bill for their medical care, food stamps, adult education, ad nauseum, is abuse? I don't agree with you, and neither do the illegal aliens. When facing deportation, they scratch and claw to stay in this country as though their life depended on it. This is the worst sort of victimization??? You're nuts.
How can one be victimized because of one's own actions?
If you hire an illegal to rake your leaves ---- that benefits me in no way whatsoever --- and it doesn't even benefit you when the wind blows your neighbors leaves into your yard and your yard is in need of raking again. If you hire someone to babysit your kids illegally --- that benefits me in no way whatsover.
But it's doubtful that those employers of those illegals are interested in paying for their illegals hospital bill or housing costs or the tuition it takes to educate their kids. All illegal labor is, is taxpayer subsidized labor that benefits only a handful --- their immediate employers ---- certainly not the rest of us.
More liberal crap. We benefit from their subsidized labor? Hardly.
Americans are the toughest, most determined people on the planet. There are many of us who will fill their jobs when this pestilence is finally over. Wages will rise and working conditions will get better because our citizens won't tolerate being exploited.
I got a real hard time justifying illegal aliens when so many of OUR people are still getting pink slips in this job-less economic recovery.
I'm really sorry things are so shitty down in mexico. Maybe if illegals did't have six kids each they wouldn't worry so much about starvation. Irresponsible behavior to the max. Mexico's problems are not our problems. Mexico is a totally corrupt, third-world oligarachy. Mexicans are the only people who are going to fix their problems.
We are quite spoiled as a society and we just don't like getting our hands dirty any more. I know I know .... not all of us. But a majority
Not at all a majority. Some of us. So why do you want to reward the lazy, guilty Americans by allowing them to hire cheap Mexican labor?
Like your prior post...more gross generalizations.
Taking 8-12+ million illegals and calling them legal to somehow "catch up" will not solve the problem...it will make it dramatically worse.
I never said anything about doing nothing...I just directly and strobngly disagree with your approach which is, according to your own words, only based on what you have seen and what your gut tells you. Programs like yours in the past, on a smaller scale, have failed and failed misreably...irrespective of how touchy-feely they were and how well they sold to a supposed voting block.
There is no reason to believe that a larger program of such a nature for those already here would not fail in a proportionally bigger way.
I believe the program that is based on your gut is based far too much on emotion.
I'm sorry Mexico is a hell-hole...the people in Mexico need to stand up on their own two feet and fix it. If they start doing that, and mean it, we will be in a much better position to help them IMHO. Encouraging the opening of the borders in such a way as you do will do nothing to help Mexico and serve only to further drag us down towards their level.
The answer is to toughen up the laws we already have and start enforcing them. Over a 18-24 month time, if we got serious about it, we could enforce those laws and remove most of the illegals already here form our borders and make it plain that the only way to enter this nation is through the legal proscribed method. As top how much "yopu" may benifit form those existing here...that is far you to decide. You go on and on about how we all benefit immenslely...but there is no evidence other than your own opinion to that point. Many here have expolained to you how we do not benefit...or how they do not benefit and why...you emtoionally negate al;l of that with no reasoned arguement other than that from your perspective "it is so".
You emotional rants that those opposing your "plan" are somehow hateful or unchristian, or that it is never going to happen or work, or just that, rants from your perspective.
,,,and that's just my own opinion on the matter...just like yours has been.