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To: witnesstothefall
Be it the Monarchy, the Republic or the Empire itself, France as a glorious model of human progress and equitable governance has no validity in any epoch. Particularly so, from the American pov.

So it would appear you include even Lafayette in this general condemnation.

Permit me to point out that Gen. George Washington had a very different opinion of France and the French from the one you apparently have. I quote from his letter to Lafayette of Feb. 7, 1788:

I shall myself be happy in forming an acquaintance and cultivating a friendship with the new Minister Plenipotentiary of France, whom you have commended as a "sensible and honest man;" these are qualities too rare and too precious not to merit one's particular esteem. You may be persuaded, that he will be well received by the Congress of the United States, because they will not only be influenced in their conduct by his individual merits, but also by their affection for the nation of whose Sovereign he is the Representative. For it is an undoubted fact, that the People of America entertain a grateful remembrance of past services as well as a favorable disposition for commercial and friendly connections with your Nation.

710 posted on 12/25/2003 4:46:12 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Again, what is your point? Shall we marry the aspirations of American liberty to the whim of France because Washington admired the qualities of his French aide 200 years ago?

You haven't put up an argument to refute my point in the least. How exactly do you think Lafayette is relevant to events today?

So it would appear you include even Lafayette

No it wouldn't, but thanks for trying. Lafayette was the exception that proved the rule of French avarice. France has had centuries since then to prove its fealty and worthiness as an ally, and it has failed again and again. Indeed, the way it led opposition among permanent members of the UN Security Council, out of all proportion to its standing among major powers, while hiding behind the most cynical of claims of knowing our interests better than we ourselves, to defend a tyrant of Hussein's record against us at all costs - well that just speaks for itself.

The worst insults an American can hurtle at France are beside the point. What they really deserve is our indifference. If this were 1788, and I were Washington, I'd be singing the praises of Lafayette and France, too, as would any American on the winning side of the Revolution. But Washington and Lafayette are long dead, and irrelevant to the question of 21st century alliances.

711 posted on 12/25/2003 7:33:31 PM PST by witnesstothefall
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