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Libertarian Harry Browne: Bush Did Not Liberate Iraq
HarryBrowne.org ^ | Dec 15, 2003 | Harry Browne

Posted on 12/17/2003 8:04:12 PM PST by Commie Basher

Sunday's capture of Saddam Hussein made it a great day — a great day for empty rhetoric and meaningless posturing by politicians and journalists.

Somehow it was assumed by politicians and the press, without explanation, that Hussein's capture has vindicated the Bush administration's attack on Iraq. But from September 2002 to March 2003, George Bush said nothing about capturing Saddam Hussein. Instead, Bush talked incessantly about weapons of mass destruction and Iraq's ability to attack the U.S. with them — as well as Al Qaeda camps in the Iraqi desert. How does finding Saddam Hussein make Bush's claims any more true than they were last week?

We're told that that the Iraqis can see now that Saddam Hussein isn't coming back to power — as though they couldn't figure that out for themselves with 130,000 foreign troops occupying their country.

But in the wonderland occupied by politicians and journalists, the capture of Hussein must mean that all the resisters — also known as "loyalists of the old regime" — would have no more reason to resist.

Some politicians said that if anti-war protesters had their gotten way, Hussein would be in his palace today, instead of in jail. Yes, and if the anti-war protesters had gotten their way, several hundred Americans and thousands of Iraqis would be alive today, instead of dead.

The press played its part in the celebration. Wolf Blitzer of CNN said that Hussein's capture proves to the world that "the President of the United States means business" — whatever that means.

In fact, we've known all along that George Bush means business — the business of getting reelected.

There were plenty of TV pictures of Iraqis firing AK-47s into the air. But no inquiring minds bothered to ask how everyday Iraqis could be carrying AK-47s out in the open, when the American occupiers have imposed strict gun-control edicts and are at war with resisters.

What if Saddam Hussein says that all the dreaded Weapons of Mass Destruction were destroyed years ago? Well, we know that George Bush believes in preemptive strikes, and he's already made one on this front. On Monday, he said of Hussein:

He’s a liar. He’s a torturer. He’s a murderer. . . . He’s a — he’s just — he is what he is: He’s a person that was willing to destroy his country and to kill a lot of his fellow citizens. He’s a person who used weapons of mass destruction against citizens in his own country. And so it’s — he is the kind of person that is untrustworthy and I’d be very cautious about relying upon his word in any way, shape or form.

In other words, "Believe him only if he confirms what I've been telling you for the past year."

Liberation

Donald Rumsfeld said that Hussein's capture means that the Iraqis can now be free in spirit, as well as in fact.

Ah yes, liberated Iraq. It is now a free country. George Bush has liberated it.

How has Iraq been liberated? Let me count the ways . . .

1. The country is occupied by a foreign power.

2. Its officials are appointed by that foreign power.

3. Its citizens must carry ID cards.

4. They must submit to searches of their persons and cars at checkpoints and roadblocks.

5. They must be in their homes by curfew time.

6. Many towns are ringed with barbed wire.

7. The occupiers have imposed strict gun-control laws, preventing ordinary citizens from defending themselves — making robberies, rapes, and assaults quite common.

8. Trade with some countries is banned by the occupying authorities.

9. The occupiers have decreed that certain electoral outcomes won't be permitted.

10. Families are held hostage until they reveal the whereabouts of wanted resisters — much like the Nazis held innocent French people hostage during World War II.

11. Protests are outlawed.

12. Private homes are raided or demolished — with no due process of law.

13. The occupiers have created a fiat currency and imposed it on the populace.

14. Newspapers, radio stations, and TV are all supervised by the occupiers.

This is liberation in the NewSpeak language of politics.

Words like freedom just don't seem to mean what they used to, do they?


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1gawdwhatanasshole; bush; harrybrowne; iraq; iraqwar; liberaltarians; libertarianparty; libertarians; losertarians; punklibertarians; saddamhussein; smurfs
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To: jimt
What lies?

Q: You have some interesting views on the war on drugs.

A: The war on drugs is a disaster. It has elevated drug use. Drug use is far greater than it was when the drug war began in earnest in the late 1960s. It has turned the drug business away from the pharmaceutical companies and put it in the hands of the illegal drug dealers in the cities. These people have no concern for your children. Pharmaceutical companies would not send representatives to school yards to hook kids on drugs. Criminal gangs have no qualms about it whatsoever. Criminal gangs settle their problems with gang violence and drive-by shootings. Pharmaceutical companies don’t do that. Criminal gangs terrorize our cities.

Q: How would that be reversed by legalizing drugs?

A: Bayer used to sell heroin as a pain reliever and sedative. Nobody thought it was a danger. Before the First World War, a 10-year old child could walk into a drugstore and buy heroin. They didn’t because they didn’t have an interest in it. It wasn’t forbidden fruit. They didn’t want to go behind the barn to see what is was all about and nobody was pushing it on them.

Q: Isn’t there a role for reasonable regulation of the sale of drugs to minors?

A: When you pass laws against consensual activities, whether for adults or children, you never get the result you want. When the drug war ends, which I think will happen in the next five years, I hope the federal government will stay completely out of it and different states will pass different laws. Perhaps all states will ban it for children. I don’t think that’s the best thing to do. It will have some perverse results. And some children will probably die. When you buy a legal drug, you know what it is. You don’t take an overdose by mistake. Heroin, incidentally, is not a particularly addictive drug.

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241 posted on 12/19/2003 12:12:20 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
What lies?

I stand corrected - this time.

242 posted on 12/19/2003 12:20:39 PM PST by jimt
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To: NutCrackerBoy
We cannot risk economic catastrophe based on a shaky energy strategy.

In 2002 the U.S. spent ~162 billion on oil. We've already spent more in the last year on this war. and we spend three times as much on our military. If Hussein had tried to jack the price for oil even he wouldn't control enough to double, triple, or quadruple the price. It would merely encourage the use of already existing supplies that cost a little more than the current market rate to harvest. The economic argument just doesn't wash, and furthermore, we aren't avoiding the impact, simply putting it into government spending instead of the marketplace, where a solution could be found.

243 posted on 12/19/2003 12:55:37 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: jimt; Cultural Jihad
Cultural Jihad
What lies?

_____________________________________

I stand corrected - this time.
242 jimt





Brownes words quoted in 241 are not 'lies'. -- CJ is lying that they are.

They are debatable opinions, backed up by historical facts as Harry sees them.
-- Feel free to rebut those facts.

244 posted on 12/19/2003 1:06:04 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Rickenbacker in me.)
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To: Gunslingr3; yall
Gunslingr3 wrote:

The economic argument just doesn't wash, and furthermore, we aren't avoiding the impact, simply putting it into government spending instead of the marketplace, where a solution could be found.





Exactly..
If Bush would have announced shortly after 9/11 that one of our 'war' goals was to become energy independent of middle eastern oil, the muslim world would be on their knees by now, begging for economic mercy.

Too bad tho, -- none of the bozo squad on this thread can understand anything but what the RinoCrats put forth.

245 posted on 12/19/2003 1:18:35 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Rickenbacker in me.)
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To: Commie Basher
The good news folks, is that this is an issue only on FR, where Libertarians are disproportionately represented and disproportionately vocal.

Browne's pronouncements don't amount to a half-empty can of 7 Up, down on main street.

246 posted on 12/19/2003 1:21:19 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: tpaine
We need a leader who can draw votes and will apply the priciples. Larry Elder.

I think Bush has pre-empted the dems on the domestic side. He is dem-lite. With the economy and the war I wouldn't give a dime for anyone's chances against the incumbant next year. Gotta build for 2008. Sorta, Hillary strategy.

247 posted on 12/19/2003 1:21:47 PM PST by breakem
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To: Commie Basher
I have voted Libertarian on a number of occasions, but no more.
248 posted on 12/19/2003 1:23:51 PM PST by js1138
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To: breakem
Don't be too sure that Bush won't get himself in deep doo-doo over assault weapons.
-- Or a dozen other neo-con 'issues' these socialistic clowns can step in. Simply put, the neo-bushies's don't have a clue as to their real political base, imo.
249 posted on 12/19/2003 1:32:21 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Rickenbacker in me.)
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To: tpaine
When Bush proposes or signs one of his big government bills, the repubs say, well he's not Clinton. We have to put someone forward the public can get behind.
250 posted on 12/19/2003 1:34:05 PM PST by breakem
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To: marshmallow
Let's zot all those libertarians. Why are they ever here in the first place?
251 posted on 12/19/2003 1:35:29 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy.)
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To: Verginius Rufus; Howlin
I got your on target reply the first time. Howlin is just a little defensive whenever the Looneytarian BS is posted.

Your second reply is even better.

Bush has saved thousands of innocent Iraqis from being shredded or whatever. The WMD stuff will come out in the open just like the $oddomite did.

Howlin, Verginius Rufus is on our side!:)
252 posted on 12/19/2003 1:36:58 PM PST by Grampa Dave (George $orea$$ has owned and controlled the Rats for decades!)
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To: tpaine
Instead of working for constitutional restortation, -- they admit attacking their 'ankle biting' peers for sport.

I can't help what they do.

253 posted on 12/19/2003 1:43:50 PM PST by Amelia ("We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Pogo)
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To: tpaine; Cultural Jihad
You misunderstand. I said CJ was lying, that Harry had never advocated legalizing narcotics for children.

CJ was right and I was wrong, based on the interview with Harry that he quoted.

Harry's gone quite a bit farther than when I last saw him in person.

He passes the libertarian acid test. But it's not always the way to win friends and influence people.
254 posted on 12/19/2003 1:48:02 PM PST by jimt
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To: Grampa Dave; Howlin
Grampa Dave wrote:

Howlin is just a little defensive whenever the Looneytarian BS is posted.




Heres some Loony 'BS' for you two to refute:

Some time ago JR tried to spark some interest by creating & endorsing a separate forum for the RLC position.
Liberty Caucus | latest posts
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/rlc/browse

Obviously, the libertarian haters on this site would rather trash our constitution than work with us in its restoration.

REPUBLICAN LIBERTY CAUCUS POSITION STATEMENT
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rlc/721810/posts


255 posted on 12/19/2003 1:55:00 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Rickenbacker in me.)
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To: Commie Basher
If I were a Libertarian I'd be exceedingly embarrassed by this guy.
256 posted on 12/19/2003 1:56:57 PM PST by k2blader (Jesus: Liar, Lunatic, or Lord?)
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To: Gunslingr3; tpaine; PSYCHO-FREEP
I label an energy strategy as shaky if it involves anything other than producing oil and buying it on the free market. The thing about Middle East oil, not just that they have so much, but the geology is such that it costs less to get out of the ground there than anywhere else. Saudi Arabia et al do whatever they can to keep the money rolling in. Therefore, it is an economic necessity for us and hundreds of other countries to deal with Middle Easterners, whether we like it or not.

The stakes are so high and the politics in the Middle East so wretched that substantial threats have arisen: tinpots, terrorists, and theocrats. These threats include but are not limited to crises in the oil market. They include attacks on our interests with WMDs of various kinds, including hijacked airplanes.

I don't deny that our past interventions have played a part. We agreed to put the bases in Saudi Arabia to protect them from Saddam Hussein in exchange for their agreeing to join the 1991 coalition. Then those bases were an irritant that fueled Al Qaeda. It is admittedly a mess, but I have not yet seen a believable scenario where we stay neutral militarily and all is well. tpaine's suggestion of offing a few individuals is fine as far as it goes.

257 posted on 12/19/2003 1:57:18 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: tpaine
Where are you guys holding your convention this year, in a men's room in a rest stop on I80 someplace.

Irrelevant is your operative word. So go peddle your irrelevance to someone dumb enough to listen to your rants.

Harry is a great poster boy for your group! I hope he continues to write articles like this for years.
258 posted on 12/19/2003 1:59:12 PM PST by Grampa Dave (George $orea$$ has owned and controlled the Rats for decades!)
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To: jimt
Brownes words quoted in 241 are not 'lies'. -- CJ is lying that they are.
They are debatable opinions, backed up by historical facts as Harry sees them.
-- Feel free to rebut those facts.
244 tpaine




You misunderstand. I said CJ was lying, that Harry had never advocated legalizing narcotics for children.
CJ was right and I was wrong, based on the interview with Harry that he quoted.

Harry's gone quite a bit farther than when I last saw him in person.
He passes the libertarian acid test. But it's not always the way to win friends and influence people.
254 -jimt-





You misunderstand the quoted interview. -- Brownes words quoted in 241 are not 'lies'.
-- The fact is that CJ has lied many times in stating that they are.



259 posted on 12/19/2003 2:09:06 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Rickenbacker in me.)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
I label an energy strategy as shaky if it involves anything other than producing oil and buying it on the free market. The thing about Middle East oil, not just that they have so much, but the geology is such that it costs less to get out of the ground there than anywhere else.

So? Spending $200 billion plus to keep the price of oil under $200 billion is dumb and worse, it's counterproductive. It keeps the Middle East important. I'd rather the market allocate that $200 billion toward alternatives than engage in perpetual wars in an attempt to maintain the status quo or funneling money into the Middle East.

don't deny that our past interventions have played a part. We agreed to put the bases in Saudi Arabia to protect them from Saddam Hussein in exchange for their agreeing to join the 1991 coalition. Then those bases were an irritant that fueled Al Qaeda. It is admittedly a mess, but I have not yet seen a believable scenario where we stay neutral militarily and all is well.

All is well with respect to what? We weren't fighting Middle Easterners until our politicians started putting our tax dollars and troops into the region. Withdraw those, let them find their own way.

260 posted on 12/19/2003 2:20:32 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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