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To: OPS4
So you believe in the majority rules democracy when it is convenient for you. I see now, that using the majority rules democracy argument for other issues means that I am twisting an issue.

You need to decide. Are you for rule of the majority or not. If you are for regulation of private property (i.e. smoking bans) through the rule of the majority, then you must support the majority's decision regarding other issues. You can not pick and chose.

This is not a health issue. It is a control issue. SHS does not cause any health problems. It may aggravate an already existing problem, but the individual with that health problem is not forced into any restaurant or bar. If they enter one and see that smoking is taking place, or there is to much smoke, they are free to leave at any time. No one locks the door shut and guards the door to keep an asthmatic in a restaurant.

Trying to equate me with the dems is a low down statement, and you know that and did it anyway. What does that say about you?

You can not be against government control in some areas and for it in others. That just means that you want the government to dictate the rest of the citizens to your preferences. If you appreciate individual rights, then you must support them for all people.....

The baptists condemn all sorts of behavior. I support them being able to make those individual decisions. No one is forced to join any denomination that they do not agree with.

Let me summarize my questions that you failed to address:
1) Do you agree with eminant domain confiscation of private property to build shopping malls?
2) Do you believe that we live in a democracy, rather than a republic?
3) Do you think that the current health code for restaruants actually works?
4) What if a nationwide vote resulted in requiring all restaurants and bars to allow smoking?
5) What would be an acceptable level of ETS?
6) Should we ban peanuts and shellfish in the name of public health?

Before you come back with the "your twisting this issue and trying to confuse it with other issues" response, how about admitting that any trampling of individual rights is wrong?
79 posted on 12/16/2003 9:13:06 AM PST by CSM (Councilmember Carol Schwartz (R.-at large), my new hero! The Anti anti Smoke Gnatzie!)
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To: CSM
Geezum Crow. You put a couple of simple questions to a guy and he disappears.
;O)
84 posted on 12/16/2003 1:21:21 PM PST by metesky (Kids, don't let this happen to you!)
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To: CSM
Someone smarter than I once said, "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep trying to decide what's for dinner."

Letting the 'majority' have its way is the path to mob rule. Personally, I don't have a boat and think it's a waste of resources. I propose a $250 a year tax on boats.

I also don't play golf. It's fine with me to throw a large tax on golfing equipment.

Since 65% of the population doesn't smoke, they have no vested interest in the matter other than some nebulous (to them) personal freedom argument. An they are propagandized constantly about how awful smoking is - so of course they don't care.

As an aside, we all see these constant anti-smoking ads. Do they have any effect in convincing people to stop? Hardly any. But I'd would be interested in knowing how many domestic disputes caused by this tripe.
85 posted on 12/16/2003 2:26:29 PM PST by Not_Who_U_Think
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