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To: happygrl
Question that comes to mind: was it disarmed (can that be done once it's armed ?), or is nerve gas still within the weapon ?

It looks like a 152mm or possibly a 155mm artillery piece projectile, the standard artillery projectile for the old Soviet Union's Warsaw Pact troops as well as the present-day Russian army. Note too though that Saddam was one of the earliest users of the Space Research Corporation's developments of long-range projectiles for the 155mm artillery piece, used to great effect against the Iranians during the Iraqi-Iranian war, and further developed by the Israelis and South Africans as the G5 long-range munitions for the 45-caliber barrel length 155 artillery pieces. Whether that could be a 155-mm shell in a Iraqi Soviet-type shipping container, a 152mm projectile of Warsaw Pact, Russian or Iraqi manufacture, or something else is difficult to determine without at least a scaled reference in the pic, and preferably, firsthand examination.

As to whether it's a chemical shell or *nerve gas projectile* it could be a white phosphorous chemical smoke round that hadn't yet received its chemical filler; or it could be a WP round that was adapted for use with a single-component chemical warfare filler, either earlier WWII compounds such as Taubin or Saran [GB or VX as designated in US literature, or even WWI era Nitrogen Mustard] or one of the more recent Soviet binary nerve agents, such as Novichok 5 or 7, which could be expected to be shipped less one of the components needed for the projectiles to be lethally effective, preventing accidents during shipment.

Short answer: If there's no chemical filler, it's relatively safe, though some residues can be harmful or lethal- and the fuze assempbly used to rupture the projectile has a small explosive charge, about like that of a hand grenade.

Another question is if whether it was intentionally shipped empty, with one component of a two-part lethal mixture, or filled and leaked during shipment.

In general, I'd expect Saddam's chemical weapons to have been used in larger quantities- half-ton Scud warheads and aircraft-delivered devices similar to aircraft droppable fuel tanks or Napalm cannisters. But the Soviets very much make use of 152mm chemical and nuclear] weapons, and so their having been supplied to Iraq either directly or via a third-party surrogate would not be particularly surprising.

More on 155mm artillery ammunition and projectiles *here,* including US M121A1, M122 and M687 nerve gas projectiles.

One other possibility: the Chinese 130mm projectiles for their M46 130mm gun. They've certainly developed a long-range projectile, and if that's been combined with a chemical warfare projectile, a likely possibility, it'd certainly be worthy of notice.

The first 130 mm field gun produced by China was the Type 59, a virtually direct copy of the Russian M-46. The Type 59 130mm gun, with maximum rate of fire is at 8-10 rds/min, fires an HE projectile capable of penetrating 250mm of armour set at 0 degree at a range of 1,500m. The Type 59 gun also fires enhanced range projectiles: the MP-130 RAP that weighs 33.4kg with a maximum range of 34,360m; and an ERFB HE that weights 32.7kg with a maximum range of 30km. The Extended Range Full Bore-Base Bleed round was specifically designed by NORINCO Industries (China) for use with the Chinese 130-mm Type 59 Field Gun. However, this round may be fired by the M-46.

Russian 152mm conventional round being loaded into a MSTA self-propelled artillery piece pic *here.*

-archy-/-

301 posted on 12/13/2003 9:49:25 PM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: archy
When was this warhead found?

And why haven't we heard about it from our news media?

Do you have a link?
302 posted on 12/13/2003 9:53:14 PM PST by nuffsenuff
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To: archy; TigersEye
"Iraq's coalition government claims that it has uncovered documentary proof that Mohammed Atta, the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks against the US, was trained in Baghdad by Abu Nidal, the notorious Palestinian terrorist."

Mohammed Atta is the very same animal who personally took it upon himself to cut off the head of Daniel Pearl.

He is a member of the "Religion of Peace."




372 posted on 12/14/2003 7:54:32 AM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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