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To: Ladysmith
There is a huge difference between the decay of the human body due to age and the effects of bad thinking that effect a person's emotions.

Emotions are something you do to yourself. It is the rareest of individuals that has a genuine brain disorder that causes their brain to not produce certain chemicals like Endorphins, or lack the receptors to receive these secretions.

In other words, 99% of all people taking these medications are doing it to themselves, they caused their problems, they created their problems, and their faulty thinking is making their problems worse.

It is an undeniable fact, that even when a person goes on these medications, it is only for the period of time necessary for them to LEARN HOW TO STOP THINKING THE WAY THAT MADE THEM SICK!!

And it is a shame your 'Christian' Counsellor didnt send you to Jesus instead of Freud. That person needs to sit down with a Bible believing Pastor to get their had right with God, instead of Freud. I suggest you search for Psychoheresy Ministries on the net

http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/



Every doctor who puts you on these pills tells you that you are only supposed to be on them until you get your thinking straight, and you have to admit that. If they aren't, then you need a new doctor, for all they would be doing is making you a slave to a pill that effects something that you CAN control, as long as you know what to think, and why.

Christians are supposed to know better, it is a shame you dont.
368 posted on 12/13/2003 1:08:44 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
You are right on some points, but your absolutism is wrong too.

I am a Thomas Zasz student... but you take it too far.

"In other words, 99% of all people taking these medications are doing it to themselves, they caused their problems, they created their problems, and their faulty thinking is making their problems worse. "

i know your side, and the pychs case. Both wrong.
To break this complex issue into real or fake is a grievous error to the TRULY sick.


379 posted on 12/13/2003 1:23:41 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals (It's more than a lib/con thing- All 3 branches of govt colluded to limit the 1st amendmenthave been)
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To: RaceBannon
And it is a shame your 'Christian' Counsellor didnt send you to Jesus instead of Freud.

On the contrary...I fought tooth-n-nail about seeing any counselor in the first place because my new life with God was very precious to me and I didn't want secular mumbo-jumbo tainting that. It was after my Christian friend remembered another mentioning this particular Christian counselor that I relented.

It turned out to be one of the blessings in all this - once the medicines helped me get back some control, our sessions at times were more bible studies than anything because I wanted to know how to deal with everything in a Christian way. And because he was a professional, he had the authority to request time off for me, which was months at a time. It is something a pastor wouldn't have been able to do. Thanks to my counselor, I still have my job and am able to deal with the stresses better than I had before the breakdown. Finally, he helped find the root of my problems and sent me to another Christian who deals specifically in that area. Between the two of them, I doubt God could have sent me to a pair of Christians who were strangers to me that I could trust so deeply.

You may not have seen my earlier post on this thread - I have been off all meds for a year now. I am very aware of the physical symptoms of this illness and do what I need to when red flags start flying. I think much straighter than ever but cannot control the physical aspect of it all. It doesn't take much to get to the point of "running on fumes" and with a home and job at stake, I won't hesitate getting extra help from medicines if after all I can do still isn't enough. "Body of death" as Paul describes it, it's going to continue to break down and fail me. I will use what God has shown me to work, regardless of what others like you think.

416 posted on 12/13/2003 1:55:38 PM PST by Ladysmith
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To: RaceBannon
There is a huge difference between the decay of the human body due to age and the effects of bad thinking that effect a person's emotions.

There's more to depression than "bad thinking."

And Freud is a joke.

440 posted on 12/13/2003 2:20:41 PM PST by stands2reason (What good does it do you to win a debate in an insane asylum?)
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