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Church ordered to dump traditional Christmas tree
Sun Herald ^ | Dec. 10, 2003 | MICHAEL D. WAMBLE

Posted on 12/10/2003 5:30:24 PM PST by yonif

HAMPTON, Va. - (KRT) - Freshly cut trees have been a part of Christmas celebrations at Gloria Dei Lutheran Church in Hampton for decades.

But this year, the 20-foot tall tree will have to be removed from the church's sanctuary, because it violates a ban against using fresh cut trees in areas without sprinklers.

The tree isn't up merely for decoration, said the Rev. L. Douglas Stowe, senior pastor of Gloria Dei. It is part of the church's religious heritage and a tool, Stowe said, to teach children about Jesus.

``We're going to have to take our Chrismon tree down,'' Stowe told two classes of preschoolers during a Christmas program Tuesday. ``And that's a big deal.''

Within the Lutheran faith, trees decorated with handmade religious monogram ornaments that depict the life, death and resurrection of Jesus, like the one at Gloria Dei, are called Chrismon trees. Chrismons started in 1957 at Ascension Lutheran Church in Danville. The word ``Chrismon'' is a blending of Christ and monograms.

Over the last 46 years, Chrismon trees have become a part of the Christmas season for Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists and other Christians across the nation.

But this year, Stowe has watched some ``struggle about how codes are enforced'' in Virginia.

Last Wednesday, the Virginia fire marshal ended a statewide cut Christmas tree ban that took effect in October following complaints from apartment and condo residents who would've been banned from displaying fresh-cut Christmas trees.

But the violation at Gloria Dei falls under a different section of the fire code that was established in 1975 said Hampton Fire Chief Robert Green.

``The code is not the same,'' Green said. ``The code we are referring to has to do with public assembly.'' Along with churches, the code requires sprinklers to be installed near natural cut trees in banquet halls, funeral parlors, libraries and most public places.

Yet so far this year, Green said, Hampton has cited only two churches for violations. Green would not name the other church cited.

Green did credit the outcry against the apartment tree ban with raising awareness among inspectors to find other violations. Green said his department first learned about the cut tree this year from a fire official whose daughter attends Gloria Dei Lutheran School.

Stowe said the church received a notice last Thursday that they had 48 hours to remove the Chrismon tree from the sanctuary. Prior to the notice, Stowe said, the church wasn't aware that it was violating a fire code.

Last Friday, Stowe said, their 48 hours were extended to 30 days.

Later, that number dropped to 10 days, a timetable Gloria Dei received in writing on Tuesday morning, right before the preschool Christmas program.

The difference between 30 days to 10 days is significant because it would have allowed the Chrismon tree at Gloria Dei to be displayed through the Christmas season. Though Stowe said he understands fire officials are only doing their jobs, ``There have been some mixed signals here.''

The length in which Gloria Dei needed to be in compliance ``was my discretion,'' Green said. ``You have to use what you would consider reasonable.''

Green said the department based its decision on the code with ``no bearing on what the tree was symbolic of.'' But for ministers at Gloria Dei, the fact that it is alive adds to its religious symbolism.

``If you look at Orthodox Jewish tradition, where many of us as Christians acknowledge our religious roots come from, you see that nothing artificial is used,'' said Rev. Edmund Freeborn III, a Presbyterian minister at Gloria Dei. ``You never find silk flowers in a synagogue. Now most Christians might not follow that with trees. But we do.''

In fact, churches are instructed to ``use the freshest flowers possible'' to decorate the sanctuary since the fading of flowers and plants is a reminder of one's human frailty in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America's ``Altar Guide and Sacristy Handbook.''

The handbook also states that in reference to Christmas decorations, ``If there is sufficient room, a Christmas tree (never artificial) may be set up.''

Yet, Chrismon trees at other Lutheran churches in Hampton are and have mainly been artificial.

At Emmanuel Lutheran Church and School, the Chrismon tree will be decorated this Saturday as part of the church's hanging of the greens. While the church always tries to use fresh flowers, the Rev. Paul Napier, pastor of Emmanuel Lutheran, said the church's tree is artificial.

The tree at St. Paul's Lutheran Church has been artificial for years, ``because we have people here with allergies,'' said its pastor, the Rev. Christine Farrow.

St. Paul's also has, Farrow said, ``a retired fire marshal in the congregation.''


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
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1 posted on 12/10/2003 5:30:24 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
They can have the tree if they put in a sprinkler system. Following the fire code is just good sense. Sprinklers can buy enough time to safely get out of a building. Nothing to get upset about.
2 posted on 12/10/2003 5:40:00 PM PST by Diverdogz
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To: Diverdogz
Agreed. Maybe they should stick a fire extinguisher next to it, too.
3 posted on 12/10/2003 5:43:22 PM PST by xrp
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To: yonif
Let me understand this????? This Christmas tree has to come down in a church, with a couple hundred students, because there is no sprinkler system YET the WTC, with 10's of thousands of employees, was allowed to be open for business with 'no' sprinkler system and no plan of evacuation in case of emergency.
4 posted on 12/10/2003 5:49:28 PM PST by eeriegeno
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To: xrp
Saw some video of a dried out Christmas tree going up in flames. It was a firefighting demo film, and I'm sure the tree was *very* dry, but dadgum, that tree made a ROARING fire in 20 seconds or so. A fire extinguisher is always a great thing to have, but dry trees catching fire would likely be reminiscent of the R.I. nightclub fire.
5 posted on 12/10/2003 5:49:49 PM PST by Diverdogz
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To: Diverdogz
It was a firefighting demo film, and I'm sure the tree was *very* dry, but dadgum,
that tree made a ROARING fire in 20 seconds or so.


I'm not an expert on this, but I think the danger lies in the combination of
the dried wood, along with the volatile oils in the wood.
Those volatile oils may not be exactly gasoline, but they ain't water either.

IIRC, this is why you want to keep the base of a live tree in a stand that can supply
water...the tree, although cut and dying still transpires water and
that cuts down on the fire risk.

I invite more informed parties to amplify or correct what I've said...
6 posted on 12/10/2003 5:56:15 PM PST by VOA
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To: yonif
Guess you could say "Great White Strikes Again."
7 posted on 12/10/2003 5:57:06 PM PST by LS
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To: eeriegeno
As if the WTC was brought down with a Christmas tree in the lobby. We are talking about a local ordinance in Virginia, not whether they must suffer the dangers of fire because the Twin Towers collapsed in New York.
8 posted on 12/10/2003 5:58:30 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: VOA
Somewhat correct, but you would be shocked at how fast a mere cardboard box goes up, or a sofa.

These are not smouldering fires that burn slowly, they are catastrophic.

And I bet the FD would have been sued if there was a tragic fire for not enforcing the code. They can't seem to win.
9 posted on 12/10/2003 6:05:27 PM PST by LaraCroft (Why is there ALWAYS someone wanting to rain on your parade?)
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To: eeriegeno
"Let me understand this????? This Christmas tree has to come down in a church, with a couple hundred students, because there is no sprinkler system..."

Yes.

"... YET the WTC, with 10's of thousands of employees, was allowed to be open for business with 'no' sprinkler system and no plan of evacuation in case of emergency."

The WTC's were sprinklered. High-rise code is much more restrictive than assembly code. Of course, it also depends of which code is being used by the "authority having jurisdiction" at the time the building is built.

The fire code is written in blood.

10 posted on 12/10/2003 6:09:22 PM PST by Jonx6
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To: Cultural Jihad
Only took 4 posts to get reactionary response. But I was expecting something more hysterical such as claiming anti-Christian bias in the enforecement of the fire code.
11 posted on 12/10/2003 6:10:13 PM PST by Diverdogz
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To: Diverdogz
Governments ordering churches to dump their religiously significant accoutrements to comply with a government regulation is hardly "good sense". And for the church to comply is simply obscene.
12 posted on 12/10/2003 6:15:50 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Diverdogz
Not anti-Christian, anti-freedom.
13 posted on 12/10/2003 6:17:29 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
There is nothing obscene about enforcing reasonable safety regulations for public gatherings.
14 posted on 12/10/2003 6:21:47 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Anti-freedom would be telling the good people of Virginia that they have no freedom to set their own laws and standards.

15 posted on 12/10/2003 6:23:07 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Virginia has passed a law restricting live Christmas trees in apartment buildings, condos, office buildings and any other facility used as a meeting place.

This isn't a government/religion "thing". It's a fire code "thing".
16 posted on 12/10/2003 6:26:54 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: yonif
They just need to put in a sprinkler system. Not every law is bad. If they would work with the fire department they might get an extension and get to keep the tree.
17 posted on 12/10/2003 6:33:43 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Yeah. Like the Rhode Island Nightclub should have had the right to use any kind of insulation they want, and Great White should be able to use fireworks inside, too.

Sorry, but sometimes governments pass GOOD regulations which implement lessons learned (usually as a result of tragedy). Fire Codes are good things. People who visit the church shouldn't have to be fire experts to recognize hazards and *know* to avoid a particular building to maintain a reasonable level of safety.

Crap, we often sneer at third world countries when they have frequent accidents that just don't happen here because of our rather refined engineering/building codes. For that I'm grateful and am willing to put up with a little bit of 'government intrusion'.
18 posted on 12/10/2003 6:39:18 PM PST by Diverdogz
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Actually, it's worse. The state backed off of the ban for this year, but some of the LOCALITIES chose to enforce it. Therefore, the state isn't being Scrooge, the city is.
19 posted on 12/10/2003 6:39:32 PM PST by beezdotcom
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To: farmfriend
ping
20 posted on 12/10/2003 6:44:00 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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