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To: hchutch; Trollstomper
You expect me to believe that George W. Bush's White House is as cavalier about who meets the President as Bill Clintons? For all intents and purposes, your claims about Rove are just that. Never mind what David Frum observed in his time at the White House (as his book points out).

Yes, never mind what David Frum observed...

Here now is where the story gets painful for us Bush Republicans. Not only were the al-Arians not avoided by the Bush White House - they were actively courted. Candidate Bush allowed himself to be photographed with the al-Arian family while campaigning in Florida. Candidate Bush denounced the immigration laws that detained - and ultimately deported - Mazen al-Najjar. In May 2001, Sami al-Arian was invited into the White House complex for a political briefing for Muslim-American leaders. The next month his son, Abdullah, who was then an intern in the office of Congressman David Bonior, joined a delegation of Muslim leaders at a meeting with John DiIulio, head of the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives. After the group entered the complex, a red flag belatedly popped up over the al-Arian name, and the Secret Service ordered him out of the complex. The entire delegation marched out with young al-Arian - and soon afterward, President Bush personally apologized to the young man and ordered the deputy director of the Secret Service to apologize as well.

(Young al-Arian published a strikingly disingenuous account of this experience in the online edition of Newsweek on - note the date - September 14, 2001. Newsweek - a magazine normally celebrated for its rigorous fact-checking - permitted young al-Arian to claim on its site that he had been "singled out" only because of his "name and physical features." Now in one sense that's true - had Abdullah al-Arian been named Abdullah al-Shmarian, nobody at the Secret Service would have troubled him. But al-Arian and Newsweek cooperated in leaving the reader with a very false impression that he had been the victim of some kind of bigoted anti-Muslim dragnet.)

The al-Arian case was not a solitary lapse. The Bush campaign in 2000 very determinedly reached out to Muslim voters. Indeed, Muslim-Americans may have tipped the election to George Bush. One survey suggests that the 50,000 Muslim voters of Florida, normally staunch Democrats, reacted to Al Gore's selection of Joe Lieberman as his running mate by voting 80% for Bush. That outreach campaign opened relationships between the Bush campaign and some very disturbing persons in the Muslim-American community. Many of those disturbing persons were invited to stand beside the president at post-9/11 events, like his meeting with Muslim community leaders at the Massachusetts Avenue mosque.

Over the past year, the White House has become much more selective about its invitations. More selective - but still far from selective enough.

There is one way that we Republicans are very lucky - we face political opponents too crippled by political correctness to make an issue of these kinds of security lapses. At least - so far. But who knows? The day may come when some Democrat decides he cares more about winning elections than he does about liberal pieties. Against the day, is it too much to ask a wartime White House - please, please choose your friends more prudently!

Correction

Memory failed me on point above: Sami al-Arian's visit to the White House occurred in June 2001, not May; his son's visit was later in the same month.
David Frum's Diary - National Review Online
FEB. 21, 2003: THE STRANGE CASE OF SAMI AL-ARIAN


458 posted on 12/14/2003 6:05:20 PM PST by Sabertooth (Credit where it's due: saveourlicense.com prevented SB60, and the Illegal Alien CDLs... for now.)
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To: Sabertooth; Nick Danger
I also recall them being pretty much determined not to do things the way Clinton did. It was mostly the ethics rules. I would certainly imagine if security flags had shown up, they would have been heeded.

Yet you claim they were ignored by Rove at the behest of Norquist. This is awfully convenient, particularly given your dislike for both men.

It is hard for me to imagine that anyone could hold the camapignmeetings against anyone. Their efforts have certainly not appeared to produce any change in policy. The complaint about Dan Pipes was not heeded.

So, whose soends like it is more based in reality? I have to go with Nick Danger's at this point. The other claims still strain creduility.
459 posted on 12/14/2003 6:23:33 PM PST by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: Sabertooth
The next month his son, Abdullah, who was then an intern in the office of Congressman David Bonior, joined a delegation of Muslim leaders at a meeting with John DiIulio, head of the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives.

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461 posted on 12/14/2003 6:49:36 PM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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To: Sabertooth
Candidate Bush denounced the immigration laws that detained - and ultimately deported - Mazen al-Najjar.

Perhaps you could elaborate on the part of the Patriot Act in question instead of lumping it all together making it look like they oppose it in it's entirety.

I would add it is the same part criticized by many... democrats, conservatives and libertarians, as reminiscent police state powers.

463 posted on 12/14/2003 6:53:47 PM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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To: Sabertooth
This Bud's for you buddy...

Saddam Just Moved to Qatar

Now, would that be the good Qatar that Norquist gets some of his funding from, or,

...the bad Qatar thta you yell BUGGA BUGGA at whenever it's mentioned?

I've got a question...WHAT THE HELL IS RUMMY AND THE US ARMY DOING SECRETING SADDAM IN A COUNTRY FILLED WITH TERRORISTS BENT ON DESTROYING AMERICA (and who helps fund Norquist's Free Market seminars, God forbid)?

I DEMAND AN INQUIRY! RUMMY AND THE US ARMY MUST BE STOPPED! THEY'RE TERRSYMPS! THEY'RE TRAITORS!

470 posted on 12/14/2003 7:18:51 PM PST by Bob J (www.freerepublic.net www.radiofreerepublic.com...check them out!)
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