[Bob J]

You suggested that Norquist's objections to the use of secret evidence were similar to those of Weyrich and Keene, apparently unaware that Norquist's objections were related to Al Arian's brother in law, and that Norquist received an award from one of Al Arian's organizations.

Norquists objections were the same as Keene's, Weyrich's, other conservatives and libertarians not to mention many people on this board...portions of the Patriot Act may be unconstitutional. Now, that may not be yours or my interpretation, but there seem to be quite a few reliable people who hold that opinion. Your habit of assigning inflammatory motives using circumstantial anecdotes to people you do not know is disturbing and lends credence to your reputation as a bomb thrower.

You suggested that there was nothing wrong with Qatar's funding of the Islamic Institute, apparently unaware that while at times an ally, Qatar was simultaneously funding the families of homicide bombers.

So, when Qatar funded the II, were they Qatar the ally or Qatar the evil?

'Tooth, you remind me of the kid in Junior High that knew the name and weight of every element on the periodic table but couldn't perform the simplest experiments without knocking beakers all over the table.

[Trollstomper]

"portions of the Patriot Act may be unconstitutional"

Might we leave that to Congress and the Courts and to disinerested experts, say Bork or Keene, rather that to people paid by terrorist-funding fronts and foreign governments -or at least engage in such analysis with the Federalist Society or someplace other than Al Arian's NCPPF, whose interest is not the US constitution, but rather how to be maximally protected by it while they try to blow us up? (recall the good Justice's admonition that the 'Constitution of the United States is not a sucide pact."

[Trollstomper]

So, when Qatar funded the II, were they Qatar the ally or Qatar the evil?

Both, that was the point. Famously a mark of intelligence is to be able to hold two fully examined ideas in ones mind at the same time and to then reconcile them to higher plane. Try it. To help you , read Bob Baer's chapter on Qatar and the Dark Prince in his "Sleeping with the Devil." Mostly becasue I don't have time now to teach you about Qatar on top of everything else and it's an good read on that subject for the purpose of your question.


re Your cleverling remark to Saber': YOU remind ME of the kid in school who loved getting lauchs mocking the teacher's accent but missed most of the lesson and flunked the tests. Maybe you should try to learn the lessons know, instead of poorly mimicking snippets you half-absorbed and reurgitating them as anklebiting flea questions. Again, try this: Don't ask or assert re opinion, just ask o rassert with direct reference to the facts.

[Sabertooth]

Norquists objections were the same as Keene's, Weyrich's, other conservatives and libertarians not to mention many people on this board...portions of the Patriot Act may be unconstitutional.

If what you say is true you should have no trouble directing me to comments from the others you've mentioned objecting to the use of secret evidence in concert with efforts like those of Al Arian's NCPPF to free associates of Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman, who were implicated in his efforts to order acts of terror frm prison, following his conviction in the conspiracy to bomb the World Trade Center in 1993.

Did Keene and Weyrich get "attaboys" from terror fundraisers for their efforts?

Did Freepers?

Who?

Source?

Link?

So, when Qatar funded the II, were they Qatar the ally or Qatar the evil?

A specious question. You attempted to make the point at #356 that the Islamic Instutes's ME funds from Qatar were ok, because Qatar is "hardly an enemy of the United States." I pointed out, since you were obviously unaware, that Qatar isn't always our ally, and that not all money from Qatar is therefore excusable.

Or, do you excuse Qatar's subsidies for the families of homicide bombers?

If not, then it's not especially compelling when you suggest that Norquist's Qatari fundraising is kosher, simply because it's "one of the few middle eastern countries pushing Western style free market principles. "

Qatar was funding homicide bombers, Bob, at the same time they were giving money to Norquist and Saffuri for the Islamic Institute. Saffuri has given money to the now-banned Holy Land Foundation, which also funded the families of homicide bombers.

I suppose there is something of a free market principle at work here.

'Tooth, you remind me of the kid in Junior High that knew the name and weight of every element on the periodic table but couldn't perform the simplest experiments without knocking beakers all over the table.

I see your objections to argumentum ad hominem are fluid, and spilling over.