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To: B-Chan
How postmodern. Just because adam_az says that detectability and measurability are the sole criteria for determining the truth doesn't make it so.

Measurability and detectability are the proof for fact of existence. I'm being a scientist here, and ironically you are being the solipist.

Anything else is faith. What other unmeasurable, undetectable things do you "believe" in?
92 posted on 12/05/2003 8:48:30 AM PST by adam_az
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To: adam_az
Measurability and detectability are the proof for fact of existence. I'm being a scientist here, and ironically you are being the solipist.

You are a person of faith, apparently. You hold the belief that all things that can be explained through science. Your faith doesn't allow for the unobservable and unmeasurable.

Your denial of the Christian belief system here rankles so because it smacks of hypocricy. You demand that we prove God exists. God has shown Himself throughout history yet you deny the text of the witnesses. I assume you also deny the geographic record that hasn't yet contradicted the Word. Apparently, your faith is only in science and not in history.

God can't be proven through science because such proof would take the place of faith. This is true of your scientific faith as well... you can't prove through science what has not yet been measured and observed. Just as modern science has shown the blindness of early scientists, future scientists will prove you blind.

We can find the best representation of God's love for us in our love for our children. There is much they don't understand and there is a time when we simply ask them to trust us until they do. All will be revealed. The child can't "prove" you love him, he can only trust that what you do is out of this professed and unprovable love. It's all about the relationship and faith... science has no instruments for this exercise.

110 posted on 12/05/2003 9:10:45 AM PST by pgyanke ("If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you behave." Ar-Bshp Fulton Sheen)
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To: adam_az
Measurability and detectability are the proof for fact of existence.

Really? Please prove it.

I'm being a scientist here, and ironically you are being the solipist.

Wrong.

1. Solipsism is the belief that nothing beside oneself exists.
2. I do believe that other things (God, the Universe, love, dreams, other people, etc.) exist.
3. Therefore, I am not a solipsist. QED.

Please re-read my post. What I said was that there is no way to know that anything other than myself exists. I most certainly do believe that God, the Universe, love, dreams, other people, etc. exist, but I can't prove that they do; I take their existence on faith.

As do you.

What other unmeasurable, undetectable things do you "believe" in?

Adam_az.

113 posted on 12/05/2003 9:14:28 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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