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To: adam_az
Theology is Faith and Beleif, not fact.

Wrong. It is a fact that there is a God despite your refusal to believe it. If there was a box that neither you nor I could reach or measure in any way and I said that there was a cat in the box and you said that there was not, and then the box was opened it turned out there WAS a cat in the box, then my statement was fact and yours was not. You just refused to believe the cat was there.

Until we die or until the second coming of the Messiah, belief in God will be based upon faith - and that is how it should be. God will not allow Himself to be scientifically proven or measured, for then faith would no longer be required. It is by our faith that our worth is proven and when you ultimately realize that the existence of God was a fact all along, it could be too late for you.

65 posted on 12/05/2003 8:02:59 AM PST by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: Spiff
Wrong. It is a fact that there is a God despite your refusal to believe it. If there was a box that neither you nor I could reach or measure in any way and I said that there was a cat in the box and you said that there was not, and then the box was opened it turned out there WAS a cat in the box, then my statement was fact and yours was not. You just refused to believe the cat was there.

That's a poor explanation and misuse of Shroedingers Cat. Of course, the box WOULD be reachable and measurable, for it is physical, and with some ingenuity, can be located and measured. If you can pull down the god-box and meausre it, please demonstrate.

Until we die or until the second coming of the Messiah, belief in God will be based upon faith - and that is how it should be. God will not allow Himself to be scientifically proven or measured, for then faith would no longer be required. It is by our faith that our worth is proven and when you ultimately realize that the existence of God was a fact all along, it could be too late for you.

That's just silly. Why won't He allow himself to be measured? Why should I believe in your God vs Zeus, Allah, or other? If a Muslim made the same argument about Allah, would you become a Muslim?

How can you say IT IS A FACT THERE IS A GOD, when the rest of your argument is that you can't prove it? You can believe in God, I really don't care, but please, don't insult the rest of us thinking folk by confusing the burden of faith with the burden of fact.

77 posted on 12/05/2003 8:17:53 AM PST by adam_az
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