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To: little jeremiah
Popular opinion has followed the courts' rulings.

Perhaps. However, I think a better case can be made that the court follows public opinion. They even claim that is the case (in the decision on the Texas sodomy statute, for example).

In a larger sense though, all laws follow public opinion. Laws merely codify rules by which the majority agree to abide. If there is no general agreement that stealing is bad, for example, then there aren't enough cops to keep your neighbors from taking whatever they want from your property - nor to stop you from taking theirs. It is only when the majority will abide by a rule regardless of whether a cop is watching that the rule can practically be enforced on the minority who will still violate it.

The fact is that the homosexuals have controlled the media and the educrat establishment for long enough to 'sell' the idea that their perversion is acceptable. Until we win that battle back, the courts will not try to buck majority opinion. The opinion of the majority is not that homosexuality is desirable. But it has been sold that homosexuality should not be sanctioned (punished) by society based on such claims that it is inherent (not a choice) and so on. That's the opinion reflected in the Supreme Court decisions.

Until and unless we convince people that homosexuality should be considered a disorder rather than a 'normal' condition (even if only for a minority, just as only the minority has blue eyes), there is no Constitutional basis for refusing them whatever secular privileges other citizens receive.

Remember back to my first posting on this topic, though. The right answer is to eliminate all those social-control 'privileges' except those providing for children. The government has no business trying to manipulate us with most of the things (such as avoidance of inheritance taxes) that they want in their civil unions.
129 posted on 12/05/2003 1:02:01 PM PST by Gorjus
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To: Gorjus
In a larger sense though, all laws follow public opinion. Laws merely codify rules by which the majority agree to abide.

First of all, in the last generation or two the cart has been following the horse. There have been many SCOTUS and State SC decisions which have not been agreed upon my the majority of people. Liberal-leftists have specifically been using court decisions from on high to force their agenda on the sheeple, who gradually get used to them, figuring that the black robed judges are super human, or that our Constitution gave them some kind of supernatural powers to rule us without representation.

So I totally disagree with this point. For you to say that every or even most court decisions are just following popular opinion is completely false, and flies in the face of the outrage and justified anger about so many SCOTUS and circuit court decisions. In fact, in CA (for example) the courts have overturned referenda voted on directly by the people. IOW, the courts have decided that the legitimate votes by the majority of people (who voted) wasn't worth s**t and a handful of black robed buffoons get to tell 37 million people what to do.

Until and unless we convince people that homosexuality should be considered a disorder rather than a 'normal' condition (even if only for a minority, just as only the minority has blue eyes), there is no Constitutional basis for refusing them whatever secular privileges other citizens receive.

That is also unnecessary. Gay activists and their willing handmaidens have tried to convince the people that homosexuals are a legitimate minority such as blacks or Asians, which anyone who has the slightest desire to see reality knows is a crock, since same sex acts are a voluntary and chosen behavior. Even someone with same sex attraction doesn't have to follow those desires. And the fact is that there are ex-homosexuals. There are no ex-blacks.

So to follow your logic, special rights (such as the right to marry/have civil unions, adopt kids, whatever) MUST be given to adulterers, bisexauls, transvestites and transgendereds, incest afficiondos, "swingers", polygamists, bondage lovers, electicity devotees, and ultimately pedophiles. There is no rational reason not to, since these are all groups whose only distinguishing characteristic is how they like to derive sexual gratification. And that is also the only distinguishing characteristic of "gays". Unless "gays" are more special than those others groups for some mysterious reason?

132 posted on 12/05/2003 1:56:57 PM PST by little jeremiah
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