Posted on 12/04/2003 4:33:52 AM PST by kattracks
Major media outlets reported Wednesday on the Supreme Court hearing of California lawyer Allan Favish's case that government photographs of Vincent Fosters death scene be released for public viewing. The media report that no fewer than five investigations have found that Foster committed suicide because he was depressed. But despite 10 years of denial by the major media, the Foster case has not closed as the Supreme Court hearing Wednesday demonstrated.The case wont close because of the failure of authorities to make full disclosure and to conduct a full investigation into the case, including a complete autopsy.
Vince Foster was not only deputy White House counsel but also the personal attorney to Bill and Hillary Clinton.
On the night of Fosters death, top Clinton aides made a frantic effort to enter and remove documents from his West Wing office. In the days that followed, federal investigators were stymied in their investigation of Fosters office and strange death.
Since Fosters July 1993 death, the facts of his death have been obfuscated by friends of Bill and Hillary in the major media, but heres the undeniable truth:
There werent five investigations into Fosters death, as the media report. The Park Police, best known for their meter and horse patrols around Washington, were put in charge of the initial death inquiry of the most important federal official to die suspiciously since President Kennedy. The Park Police, contradicting standard procedure, declared the death a suicide before launching their inquiry.
The FBI never officially investigated the case but simply signed off on the Park Police probe. The bureau had little choice. The day before Fosters death, Bill Clinton hurriedly fired the director of the FBI, William Sessions. Sessions later charged that Clinton had politicized the bureau.
Later, Robert Fiske, selected by Clintons counsel Bernie Nussbaum and Janet Reno, quickly confirmed the Park Police probe as a suicide.
But when Ken Starr entered the investigation, he reopened the case. His chief prosecutor in the case, Miquel Rodriguez, later quit the Starr investigation, claiming that Starrs staff was engaging in a cover-up of Fosters death.
Rodriguez, a Harvard-educated federal prosecutor, argued that one of the Polaroid photos taken of Foster at the crime scene indicated an additional wound on Fosters neck never noted on the autopsy report. Favishs suit before the Supreme Court is seeking to release this photo, among others.
No fewer than three of the paramedics on the scene indicated in reports or testimony that the crime scene was consistent with a murder scene, not a suicide.
A careful FBI microscopic investigation of Fosters shoes found not a trace of soil or grass stains on them, though he supposedly walked several hundred yards through wooded Fort Marcy Park to where his body was found. [Years later, Starrs investigation found plenty of soil and grass stains. Rodriguez charged that the shoes were tampered with to produce such evidence.]
Foster was found with little blood around his body and despite claims that he fired the gun into his mouth, practically no blood was found on the front of his shirt.
Foster was found with a 1913 revolver no one in his family could claim, with two serial numbers, made from the parts of three or more guns. None of Fosters fingerprints were found on the gun.
The bullet that supposedly killed Foster was never found, despite intensive searches.
Despite claims to the contrary, no one who knew Foster, including Hillary, Web Hubbell and his own wife, saw signs of depression.
A so-called suicide note was found in an office briefcase that had been searched and found to be empty after Fosters death. The note was torn into 27 pieces. Yet an FBI examination found no trace of Fosters fingerprints on the note and a top Oxford handwriting expert found the note to be an obvious forgery.
Despite the enormity of the case, Fosters autopsy lasted an astounding 45 minutes. The coroner in the case had previously been overruled in other cases he declared suicides that were later found to be murders.
All of the X-rays taken during the autopsy are missing.
Complete crime scene photos dont exist. The Park Police said all the photos were accidentally overexposed. A series of close-up Polaroids, which Favish is suing for, remain. This is just a brief summary of the dozens of inconsistencies in the case. Two New York homicide investigators who looked into the case concluded that Fosters body had been moved to the crime scene and that murder could not be ruled out.
Despite overwhelming evidence of a cover-up, the media wont question the official ruling.
Ken Starr, who could find no criminal wrongdoing on the part of the Clintons during his intensive probe, confirmed a ruling of suicide. Starr even hired O.J. Simpsons defense expert to prove his case.
If ever there were a case for public disclosure of government records and photos, its the Vince Foster case. The high court should decide in Allan Favishs favor.
Never! If they did make that stupid mistake, I'm sure they were able to maneuver back there some time thereafter, and "get things straightened out", if you know what I mean. But it may point out what we already knew, Craig Livingstone (or William Kennedy) was no rocket scientist!
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How could that be if the keys didn't turn up in his pocket until after Livingstone's visit to the morgue?
"Maybe you can't play for the Clintons if you can't turn the routine Arkancide"
Well THAT would certainly exxplain how they could keep so many people on such a short leash now wouldn't it?
See post #6."
Suppose he killed himself with chemicals. Why the panic? Why move him? Why create the suspicion of a crime, when none existed?
There was the 'scandal' about background checks at some point in the first term, and the fact that many WH employees had never had drug tests. The presumption at the time was that this omission was concious and necessary, as many on the staff would not have passed (with a nudge and a wink, in the media, if you recall).
My theory of the day has Vince offing himself on some kind of narcocktail and being discovered... and well, you get the rest.
Onion other hand... your theory works well too.
I'm waiting for the book, which I don't expect to read on this mortal coil...
Btw, I believe it was mentioned up the thread that Livingstone is a DC area limo driver...
Whoa guys. Here's the scoop.
From Ambrose Evans Ptitchard's, 'The Secret Life of Bill Clinton'; John Rolla, U.S. Park Police, "I searched his pants pockets. I couldn't find a wallet or nothing in his pants pockets. We searched the car, and were puzzled why we found no keys."
It would be hard to miss them. Foster had a collection of at least six keys on two separate rings. One ring was for the Honda with a tag marked "Vince's Keys." The other had a tag from Cook Jeep Sales, Little Rock, with four cabinet and door keys, including a Medeco-cut high security key with the inscription "U.S. Property Do Not Duplicate."
The likelihood that Detective Rolla could search the trouser pockets of Foster's suit without finding this clump of metal is close to zero.
But two hours later (after Livingstone and Kennedy's "visit"), the keys mysteriously appeared. When Detective Rolla and Cheryl Braun reached the morgue at the Fairfax County Hospital, the keys were sitting in the front right pocket of Foster's trousers.
And a little more from the book for you; "Many times when you view a body, you are in a sparate room and view it through the glass," explained Detective Rolla. "This time, I don't think that happened. They (Livingstone and Kennedy) were let in, the room attendant unzipped the bag, they looked at it, he zipped it back up."
So to sum up. The keys were not in Foster's pants until after Livingsone and Kennedy "visited" Foster at the morgue. Very simple. So, why did Livingstone and Kennedy leave in only ONE of their cars, when they had come to the morgue in their TWO cars. Why?
Did you read Chris Ruddy's book, and have you read the section on Foster in "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton" by Ambrose Evans Pritchard? Excellent.
What are you talking about? This is the second time you said whatever that is you are trying to say.
Foster's gray Honda was in police custody when Livingstone and Kennedy went to the morgue later that enening/night, in their own two cars, that is factual. NOBODY drove FOSTER'S car to the morgue. Where are you getting that bizarre idea?
"If one drove Foster's car to the morgue, they couldn't have then drove it to the park with the keys in Foster's pocket." ---that sentence makes absolutely no sense. So I can't even respond to it.
Either you don't have a clear understanding of the case, or you are just tired (late at night, you know).
Anyhow, I can suggest the Ruddy book or the Pritchard book. I'm sure that there are other good sources too. But for now, what you are saying, is totally undecipherable by me.
How would both L and K decide they needed to go to the morgue?
I don't know. Maybe they flipped a coin and they both lost! ;)
Wouldn't the killer just give them the keys he already had?----this is an unproven (and wrong) supposition.
Where did Foster keep the other set of keys, by the way?----where do you think? In his pocket, like the rest of us probably.
Another scenario is the killer drove Foster's body to the park in another vehicle.--- a possibility. One thing is for sure, Foster got to the park TWO HOURS before his Honda did, quite a fine trick!
Perhaps he knew his accomplice would bring Foster's car. The killer grabbed the keys Foster had with him, the accomplice, who had access to Foster's office or house, grabbed the other set of keys.---- another unsupported assumption.
Were L and K at the morgue at the same time.----YES
It's hard to believe they each slipped a set of keys into the jacket. It would be a risk that the attendant would see something. Maybe they didn't know they were identical sets. It's hard to believe Foster would carry two sets of keys.----they didn't! You base all your thoughts on things that most likely did not happen or are already proven wrong by factual testimony. I really suggest you read pages 167-170 of Pritchard's book (The Secret Life of Bill Clinton). It is very easy to understand if you read those four short pages. Bye for now.
Caught this on an old post. I never heard that one.
If he is a D.C. limo driver, can't he be brought in to testify?
I already know the answer, to testify at what. Case closed I guess.
Wow, they litterly got away with murder.
Ping to Virginia Tech.
Bumping for the 13th anniversary of Vincent Foster's death
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