Environmentalists File Suit to Stop New Jersey Bear Hunt

Cybercast News Service ^ | Dec 2, 2003 | Melanie Hunter

[correctthought]

Hot bear meat is actually yummy. When it gets cold, the grease/fat hardens and its not nearly as good.

-ct

[HairOfTheDog]

I assumed it wasn't true, but that alone doesn't make it funny.

Our side needs to market a vision that values the protection of the land we hunt on and the animals we hunt. We are arguing, in this debate, against people who think our side would love to just mow down everything that lives in the woods without care or caution. Your joke adds to that perception and I wanted to counter it.

The envirowackos are nuts. But they have packaged their vision into nice nature scenes and happy fuzzy animals. People want to protect those things. I do. How will our side do it that is more reasonable? That is what the public needs to hear.

[appalachian_dweller]

>> "The bear is our four-legged relative who gave us the knowledge to heal ourselves. That is why we call him brother. While our brother bear has tried to share the land, his home, with us, he is blamed any time he shares the crops or the property of the people. He is called a 'problem' even if human neglect, ignorance, or carelessness is really to blame," Hawk's Blood said. <<

I nominate this as the most asinine statement I've heard this year.

[hellinahandcart]

Oh lighten up, it was funny.

People who promote nonsense like this ought to be skewered and humilated, and the best way to do that is to mock them. What possible impact could a bear hunt have on bald eagles?

Liars and leftists should be laughed at. Constantly.

It's either that, or kill them. ;D

[HairOfTheDog]

I have a pretty good sense of humor.

Liars and leftists should be laughed at. Constantly.

I have seen plenty of that here. What I haven't seen is our side pushing a plan. The other side is packaging plans, and have made a heckofalot of 'progress' in pushing those plans. "The people' need to choose between options, and ours is missing. I consistantly find it missing on all the environmental threads. "My right to shoot it, piss on it, or whatever I want to do with it" is not a plan that is going to warm the hearts of the public.

We can bitch about the creeping of really wacky people into public policy on the environment, or we can send out our own message that people will want to buy.

[hellinahandcart]

How about we point out the idiocy of claiming that a one-day bear hunt is going to "impact" ANYTHING but bears?

I don't respect the ignorant any more than I do the deceitful, and I'm not going to pander to either. The brainswashed have chosen to buy into a lie, and no matter what our side puts out as a rebuttal, it only serves to legitimize the envirowhacko position. Because we're playing on their terms when we try to *rebut* their position.

The brainwashed ones are not going to change their minds until their house burns down or a bear bites the head off one of their children, so screw them AND their delicate sensibilities.

[HairOfTheDog]

So the public is just 'the brainwashed' and we don't even need to try to convince them, or come up with our own plans. We can just snipe at the people in charge of an agenda we don't like and become irrelevant.

[trebb]

Shouldn't you add a few Viagra pills to counteract the saltpeter? My wife doesn't mind me using saltpeter as part of a black powder recipe, but she would claim abuse if I started putting it in my food... ;~)

[hellinahandcart]

Yep. Anyone stupid enough to buy into it is already hopeless and a waste of time and money and oxygen. We'll just let nature take its course with them until they come around, if they ever do.

[hellinahandcart]

And in the meantime, I won't be deprived of pointing out their foolishness just because it might turn some nellie off.

[bullseye1911]

I can't eat it because of my religion, but I am interested in learning about it.

Bear do not have cloven hooves, what in your religion precludes them from your diet?

[Newbomb Turk]

I wish every one of these nut jobs would run out and hug a bear right away today.

[HairOfTheDog]

Oh good grief. It isn't that bad. We just need to push policy and outnumber the nuts. Most people are easy enough to convince. You can insult them, but policy in this country is set by public opinion, so they do matter and you are just hurting yourself.

Look... our whole conversation started over someone else's bad joke. My point in being on the thread was to say "I am glad that the bear population is healthy enough in New Jersey for there to be need for a hunt. That is an environmental success. And a hunt is a perfectly good way to control their population so that bears remain there strong and healthy but without becoming so numerous they are a problem to neighbors."

Maybe it sounds way too elementary to you to have to say that but you do have to say it. The nuts package their plans so that elementary school kids could understand it. On FR people brag about shooting shovelling and shutting up, or elimination of the Park Service or angry posts screaching about any attempt to set policy on lands. On balance, the environuts often paint a picture that looks more attractive than anyone else screeching about his right to piss on it. It isn't that hard to just state what we would like to see as an alternative.

[bullseye1911]

People eat bears? What sort of food do you make with it? Is it tasty?

Bear meat is a dark, red meat much like beef. It should be field dressed and cooled to at least 40 degrees quickly. When butchering, it should be trimmed of all fat and fell (silvery tendon). I like my roasts cooked slowly, about 320 degrees. Wrap with a smokey bacon, onions, garlic, fresh rosemary and basil. Steaks sliced thin, grilled to medium rare with an Oriental sweet chili sauce instead of barbeque. Some find it a little gamy, but if you soak it in milk overnite, and rinse thoroughly, it's a lot better. Regards

[d-back]

Got my Mossberg 695 slug gun zeroed and ready to go on Monday. I'll be on public land in Morris and Sussex counties, looking for black bear and deer (next week is the six-day firearm season for deer in NJ, too).

I'm guardedly optimistic that THIS time the hunt will go forward. Last time we had a RINO in office, Christie Whitman, who canceled the hunt. This time we have an avowed leftwing Demoncrat in office, JimMcGreevey, and the hunt looks like it's going forward.

A pox on RINOs. Most times they do more damage than the outright leftists.

Any other Freepers going to the woods for a bear next week?

[agrace]

Right, to suggest it's a mere trophy hunt is ridiculous. It's all about thinning the population. We have friends in Sussex County who have bears in their yard just about every day. And they are not careless with their garbage and they do not live in isolation but in a well-populated neighborhood.

My dad - avid PA hunter and Federal Dept of Ag employee for decades - says a lot of them are migrating from PA, where they do of course allow bear hunting.

[yonif]

Bear isn't kosher? Well, now I've learned something. Is it because they have paws, or is it something else?

Rules for eating mamals are that they must have a hoof, only eat vegetation and regergetate.

[yonif]

Bear do not have cloven hooves, what in your religion precludes them from your diet?

Kashrut: Jewish Dietary Laws

[Myrddin]

Now the enviornmentalists have programs to pay the farmers back for all of the dead livestock that these predators kill each year.

They may be paying farmers for the dead livestock, but they aren't making any recompense for the loss of all the herds of deer, elk, antelope and moose that are being killed by the wolves. As those animals are wiped out and domestic herds are decimated, the next food on foot is hikers.