Almost thirty years later, a sometime Texas gun dealer fearing a frameup by the BATF collected as much information on the activities of those agents that day, including their names and present status, particularly BATF Agent Frank Ellsworth, who claimed to have *helped find" the Carcano rifle in the schoolbook building, though not where the official rep. His name was David Koresh.
Former AFT agent Frank Ellsworth, who participated in a second search of the book depository conducted after 1:30 p.m. on November 22, 1963, according to a Secret Service document, confirms that the Mannlicher-Carcano was found by a DPD detective on the fourth or fifth floor of the building, "not on the same floor as the cartridges." He adds: "I remember we talked about it, and figured that he must have run out from the stairwell and dropped it as he was running downstairs."