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To: scripter

I again repeat much of your opinion seems to be based on the work of NARTH who are not researching to find the truth, but merely reporting their personal bias.

I have been working for over eighteen years in the field sir, and it is you who lurks among the uninformed.

There is validated, authentic research all over our world concerning the issue of homosexuality, and you have hardly touched upon the causative factors.

Enough of your insults. I have tried to keep this adult and without sarcasm to the point of apology.

I hope one day you will allow your mind to open.


498 posted on 02/21/2005 11:38:27 AM PST by imintrouble
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To: imintrouble
I again repeat much of your opinion seems to be based on the work of NARTH who are not researching to find the truth, but merely reporting their personal bias.

Some of it is. NARTH states they are the ONLY professional organization actively fighting for the right of therapists to help homosexuals change. There are many other organizations that help homosexuals out of the lifestyle, which I just posted here

I have been working for over eighteen years in the field sir, and it is you who lurks among the uninformed.

What you're really saying here is that you cannot, logically, respond to the information I've posted.

There is validated, authentic research all over our world concerning the issue of homosexuality, and you have hardly touched upon the causative factors.

Sigh. Please post it and I'll take a look at it. But I hope it's not already listed in the ever growing pile of debunked research.

Enough of your insults. I have tried to keep this adult and without sarcasm to the point of apology.

I'd ask you to provide a post number where I insulted you, but you wouldn't be able to do that. On the other hand, you have hinted I'm for mass homicide of homosexuals. You have incorrectly stated I'm hostile to homosexuals, and that I hate homosexuals. We see these common tactics and misrepresentations all the time.

I hope one day you will allow your mind to open.

And I really hope you realize that others can be informed on the issues and come to a different conclusion.

Former homosexuals exist and their numbers are growing. Please allow those who seek help the freedom to do so.

499 posted on 02/21/2005 11:58:44 AM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: imintrouble; scripter

I again repeat much of your opinion seems to be based on the work of NARTH who are not researching to find the truth, but merely reporting their personal bias.


According to credentialed professionals in the field, you are wrong:

Former APA President Supports NARTH's Mission Statement, Assails APA's Intolerance of Differing Views

"Former President of the American Psychological Association Robert Perloff was the keynote speaker at the annual NARTH Conference, which was held in Washington, DC on November 12-14, 2004.

Dr. Perloff is the Distinguished Service Professor Emeritus of Business Administration and of Psychology at the Joseph M. Katz Graduate School of Business, University of Pittsburgh.

The former APA president's lecture -- entitled "Free to Choose" -- received a standing ovation from the conference participants. The gathering at the Washington's Wyndham Hotel comprised the largest attendance of any NARTH Conference.

Dr. Perloff began his lecture by emphasizing the importance of client self-determination, a cornerstone value of all of the mental health professions. He stated,

"I am here as the champion of one's right to choose ... It is my fervent belief that freedom of choice should govern one's sexual orientation ... If homosexuals choose to transform their sexuality into heterosexuality, that resolve and decision is theirs and theirs alone, and should not be tampered with by any special interest group -- including the gay community..."
In support of the mission statement of NARTH, he concluded,
"The individual's right for self-determination of sexuality -- or sexual autonomy -- is, I am happy to see, inherent in NARTH's position statement: 'NARTH respects each client's dignity, autonomy, and free agency...every individual has the right to claim a gay identity, or to develop their heterosexual potential. The right to seek therapy to change one's sexual adaptation is considered self-evident and inalienable.' I subscribe fully to the aforementioned NARTH position statement."
Noting that he was a Fellow of APA's Lesbian and Gay division, Dr. Perloff reiterated his support for gay and lesbian issues. However, he vigorously declared his opposition to the efforts of the gay community within APA to prevent psychotherapists from accepting clients who wished to develop their heterosexual potential. Dr. Perloff articulated the following reasons for his position:
  1. "The individual has the right to choose whether he or she wishes to become straight. It is his or her choice, not that of an ideologically driven interest group.

  2. "To discourage a psychotherapist from undertaking a client wishing to convert, for reasons I will explain, [is] anti-research, anti-scholarship, and antithetical toward the quest for truth.

  3. "To deny a client the opportunity to engage in a psychotherapeutic experience is potentially harmful to the client, who may well have emotional problems and mental health roadblocks independent of that client's sexual orientation."
Dr. Perloff noted the growing body of research that contradicts the popular notion that change in sexual-orientation is not possible. He concluded, "The research on sexual conversion is, therefore, very much a work in progress, an open question, and efforts to declare that conversion is 'doomed to failure' and is 'futile' are irresponsible, reactionary and intellectually flawed."

When asked about the American Psychological Association's opinion of his presence at NARTH, Dr. Perloff indicated that he had recently received a warning phone call from a former member of APA's Board of Directors. This fellow psychologist "told me that a group of APA members were deeply concerned" that I had the "audacity and political incorrectness" to address NARTH (defined as a bunch of "bad guys").

Dr. Perloff's response to the caller was, "If APA or any of its special-interest mafias seek to bring ethics charges against me, they will face litigation the likes of which they have never encountered before."

He commended NARTH for its position, which he views as representative of the clear majority of Americans because of the popular support for traditional marriage that was expressed in the recent national elections.

Dr. Perloff encouraged NARTH to increase its membership and to continue articulating its views. He stated that freedom of choice is "a powerful and unassailable right inherent in human behavior, especially in a democratic society such as ours, where freedom of expression is guaranteed by the United States Constitution."

"NARTH," he added, "is a voice in the wilderness."


See also:

An excerpt from "Former APA President Condemns APA for Barring Research"

An excerpt from "30 years ago: APA says gay is okay - Psychiatrists look back at the landmark decision to declassify homosexuality"

An excerpt from "Paglia: The energy mess and fascist gays"

An excerpt from "Who’s the Deviant?"

Seven Things I Wish Pro-Gay People Would Admit

503 posted on 02/22/2005 8:58:53 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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