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To: scripter

NARTH is a group with an agenda.

They work towards one mission, and you have succumbed which is your right.

I won't interfere again in your dedication, but as I work in the field of human behavior and degrees of impairment, there is nothing NARTH posits or proclaims which will rise above speculative longing.

Proof and truth are on the horizon.

You managed to resist my question about what you would do with the homosexual population. You claim there are thousands who have changed? They have repressed themselves and find comfort in people like you praising them. Yet they cannot change their eye color to suit. It is a disguise only.

To find a group unacceptable enough to insist they subvert their natural life is hate - pure and simple hate.

I apologize to you for interfering.

As I wrote before I love FreeRepublic until people dabble in "changing" others - reminds me of Mengele experimentation in Nazi Germany.

I hope for your sake you never find out a family member or a loved friend is homosexual. It may push you over the edge. The precipice which you work so hard to create.


488 posted on 02/21/2005 5:28:01 AM PST by imintrouble
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To: scripter

If you spent as much time researching the causes of degrees of homosexual behavior in humans, you might find your one-sided promotion wasted.

Here is one study which is going to prove all your NARTH theses incorrect and biased. Research does not focus on one outcome sigularly as does NARTH. True research looks at all causes and degress of abnormality.

Even as with heterosexual identity, there are degrees of differentiation between active sexual aggression and passive non-sexual pursuit. Homosexuality is yet one step farther into sexual imperfection. As with nature, there are many things which are imperfect. But they are part of this world and part of human biological functioning. Yet you set out to claim these people can be "cured". As ridiculous as the claims NARTH makes.

There is homosexuality in all of the animal world, even in mammalians.

The link may be too deep for you, but Plymouth is definitely trying to find answers, not recrimination:

http://salmon.psy.plym.ac.uk/year2/psy221physiologicalpsychology/psy221-syllabus.html


489 posted on 02/21/2005 8:04:29 AM PST by imintrouble
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To: imintrouble
NARTH is a group with an agenda.

And their agenda is:

...committed to helping those with unwanted homosexual attractions. We respect each client's dignity, autonomy and right to self determination. NARTH believes that clients have the right to claim a gay identity, or to diminish their homosexuality and develop their heterosexual potential.
NARTH is pro-choice on this issue: They offer the choice of staying in the homosexual lifestyle or deveoping their heterosexual potential. I'm sorry to read you're of the opinion that homosexuals should be prevented from any attempts to leave a destructive lifestyle.

You managed to resist my question about what you would do with the homosexual population.

It was a ridiculous question. I hold the position that homosexuals should be offered the choice to those who want it.

You claim there are thousands who have changed? They have repressed themselves and find comfort in people like you praising them.

That's not true at all, documented below:

Dr. Robert L. Spitzer played a pivotal role in the 1973 decision by the APA to declassify homosexuality as a mental disorder. Spitzer used to believe homosexuals couldn't change but after studying the results of therapy he now believes homosexuals can change:

"I thought that homosexual behavior could be resisted--but that no one could really change their sexual orientation. I now believe that's untrue--some people can and do change." Spitzer completely changed his mind whether or not some homosexuals can change. And then Spitzer concluded with:

"the mental health professionals should stop moving in the direction of banning therapy that has, as a goal, a change in sexual orientation. Many patients, provided with informed consent about the possibility that they will be disappointed if the therapy does not succeed, can make a rational choice to work toward developing their heterosexual potential and minimizing their unwanted homosexual attractions."
Source: Spitzer made the above comments at an annual APA meeting, May 9, 2001. The study was reported in the May 9, 2001 issues of The Washington Post, The New York Times, USA Today and it was also released to many local newspapers via the AP. ABC, CBS, FOX and MSNBC all reported the study.
Did you read that? Spitzer, of all people, disagrees with you, and he agrees with NARTH's position that homosexuals should be given the choice.

I hope for your sake you never find out a family member or a loved friend is homosexual.

I would prefer you try harder to understand from where I'm coming.

493 posted on 02/21/2005 9:04:37 AM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: imintrouble

I noticed you used eye color as a comparison to same-sex attraction.
Are you trying to suggest that homosexuality denotes some sort of hitherto unknown human species, race, or gender? Exactly what do you believe a homosexual is? Tell us what sets people who are homosexuals apart from heterosexuals?


509 posted on 02/22/2005 3:48:40 PM PST by Lindykim
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