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To: robertpaulsen
Yes, I read #19. I also have read a few other threads on this. The bottom line is that the Principle suspected a specific set of kids. No number is discussed, but he did not suspect all 107 kids that take the early bus to school. He suspected a few of the kids that take the early bus to school.

Restricting the search to the main hallway still resulted in a large number of kids that were not under reasonable suspicion. All of the kids were detained with the threat of force. In fact, if a kid did not immediately obey the orders of the police, they were physically detained with the plastic strips that pass as handcuffs. If this is not unconstitutional siezure of a person, then what is?

In addition, the police storm the school with guns drawn, they physically point the barrell of said guns at students that were not under suspicion. Think about it, the students are constantly told that guns are dangerous, they are taught to report people that own such dangerous items, they hear about all the danger for their entire scholastic career. They are indoctrinated with a major fear of guns. Then the police come rushing in with guns pointed at them. Do you think they felt that they felt at risk or do you think they felt comfortable in the situation? If that is not a violation of the right to be "secure in their persons" then what is?

You keep addressing only one element of this action by the school and how in your opinion it is not a violation of the constitution. The above violations clearly show it was a violation. If we don't afford these minors the basic rights provided by the constitution, then the state no longer can protect them from harm. If the state is a threat to them, then when will they ever feel safe? What did this action do to the learning environment in that school? I garuntee, that these students, in fact the entire school is much more distracted from learning than what was caused by the few students that the principle suspected. Don't you believe that these actions against the 107 students has affected the rest of the 2K+ students? If not, then how is the entire community affected, yet the remaining students aren't?
61 posted on 11/19/2003 1:03:58 PM PST by CSM (Stop the MF today!!! (Flurry, 11/06/2003))
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To: CSM
"The suspected group of about 10 students comes to school in early buses ... tapes show a network of lookouts ... they know where the cameras are ... faculty can view the students from other cameras, but from quite a distance away. They see silhouettes."

So, which one of these "silhouettes" are you going to pull from class? Assuming the word doesn't get out and the suspects dump the marijuana in the classroom before they come out for your search.

Yes, they were after 10 and netted 107. They did try to restrict the number of students (6:40am raid, only the main hallway, "20 administrators and teachers helped steer other students away").

"McCrackin, who has two children at the school, said the problem mostly stems from students who transferred into the school this year from out of state."

How has this affected the rest of the sudents? My guess is that they want things to get back to normal -- to get back to the way it was before these tranferees arrived.

63 posted on 11/19/2003 1:39:21 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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