Ancient Hearths Test Carbon Dating (Humans In Brazil 56K+ Years Ago)

ABC Science Online ^ | 11-17-2003 | Bob Beale

[Chad Fairbanks]

Ahhh... ok... Pilgrim, eh? Are they still around? ;0)

[SauronOfMordor]

I'm not sure I follow you. Are you saying that the American Indians are not necessarily descended from Asians, or that the more modern Indians are not descended from the first inhabitants of the New World, possibly from 50,000 years ago?

There's increasing evidence for multiple waves of humans coming into North America, with evidence of a wave having come over from Europe (perhaps along the arctic ice coast), with the European settlers being subsequently wiped out by the later wave of Asiatics coming across the Bering Strait

[blam]

Nah, my guess is that you all just moved south, European DNA Found In 7-8,000 Year Old Skeleton In Florida (Windover)

[Chad Fairbanks]

Nope. Not me. The only movement south we made was to attack the Tribes in Georgia and FLorida, in order to put pressure on another tribe...

[tet68]

56+ but did they have Carnivale!

[Chad Fairbanks]

Now, can you explain what you mean by the term "European Settlers"?

[RightWhale]

Pilgrim, eh? Are they still around?

Yeah, but they don't wear those hats anymore because modern cars just don't have the headroom.

[ElkGroveDan]

I'm not sure I follow you. Are you saying that the American Indians are not necessarily descended from Asians, or that the more modern Indians are not descended from the first inhabitants of the New World, possibly from 50,000 years ago?

The latter. The people who built the fire could have been from somewhere other than Asia. Or they could have been from Asia and then died out or fled elsewhere, thus not leaving and descendants there.

If you want to read about something interesting on all of this do a search on Kennewick Man, a skeleton with caucasian features dating -9 or -10k that was found in Washington. The Clinton folks engaged in a huge effort to destroy the site because of the non-PC implications of having caucasians in the new world BEFORE or concurrent with the first ancestors of today's Indians.

[Chad Fairbanks]

And I take it the buckles are gone, too, right? I could see those being problematic at the airport...

[blam]

Spirit Cave man, 9,400 Years old (older than Kennewick Man) was found in a cave in Nevada. He is the oldest mummy ever found in the Americas.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Or, maybe we are all wrong and my people, Haudenosaunee, for example, were descendents of "Europeans" that migrated here... However, once they migrated here and intermingled with others that may have already been here, they stopped being "European" and became "Americans", with a totally different culture etc...

Not too far-fetched, actually...

[RightWhale]

Right. I haven't told you the story about why one of them went to live with the Indians and what all transpired. It's kind of a long story and not particularly interesting except to descendants. But he married a nice lady and eventually returned when things had cooled down.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Ahhh... got in a bit of trouble, and hit the road, did he?

[blam]

Luzia, 11,500 years old was found in Brazil. She is believed to be Australian.

[RightWhale]

Well, you know, Pilgrims could be a little rowdy now and then. He apparently thought it would be an ideal time to explore the Northland.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Ended up among the Abenaki?

[RightWhale]

He wasn't too clear on exactly where he ended up. Or I'm not too clear. The family didn't talk about him much. Up towards James Bay, anyway.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Ahhh... Ok, most likely Cree, then...

[Batrachian]

Not another Piltdown Man, I hope? I don't trust these bizarre findings that are out of left field like this one. How is it that only one skeleton was found? If you invoke Occam's Razor, the most likely explanation is that this skeleton is an ordinary European from recent times and that the dating is wrong. The simplest explanations are usually the correct ones.

There's always something new and wierd that can't be explained by established theories, but it takes more than one skeleton or one hearth site to prove the point.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Notice how all the dates regarding humans just getting older and older.

Oh I do. Maybe the guys of "Forbidden Archeology" have the right idea. I am going to have to re-read that book this winter.