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To: Tribune7
Thomas Alva Edison on Paine, excerpted, 1925:

Paine suffered then, as now he suffers not so much because of what he wrote as from the misinterpretations of others. He has been called an atheist, but atheist he was not. Paine believed in a supreme intelligence, as representing the idea which other men often express by the name of deity.

His Bible was the open face of nature, the broad skies, the green hills. He disbelieved the ancient myths and miracles taught by established creeds. But the attacks on those creeds -- or on persons devoted to them -- have served to darken his memory, casting a shadow across the closing years of his life. When Theodore Roosevelt termed Tom Paine a dirty little atheist he surely spoke from lack of understanding. It was a stricture, an inaccurate charge of the sort that has dimmed the greatness of this eminent American. But the true measure of his stature will yet be appreciated. The torch which he handed on will not be extinguished. If Paine had ceased his writings with "The Rights of Man" he would have been hailed today as one of the two or three outstanding figures of the Revolution. But "The Age of Reason" cost him glory at the hands of his countrymen -- a greater loss to them than to Tom Paine.

I stand corrected.

And, your silence on my point about Christians being different in colonial times than Christians of today (General Washington, for instance, spoke of "Providence" and not Christ) I will take as agreement.

337 posted on 11/19/2003 6:05:10 PM PST by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to...)
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To: Pharmboy
And, your silence on my point about Christians being different in colonial times than Christians of today (General Washington, for instance, spoke of "Providence" and not Christ) I will take as agreement.

I missed your point. No, we are not in agreement. A Christian today is not significantly different than a Christian in 1776 who is not significantly different than a Christian in 776.

340 posted on 11/19/2003 6:23:49 PM PST by Tribune7 (It's not like he let his secretary drown in his car or something.)
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To: Pharmboy
Fair enough; but my point was the issue of salvation through Christ that Born Again Christians hew to whereas Christians such as Adams and Washington were less into the salvation through Christ. Perhaps I am cutting too fine a point on this, but I do believe there is a difference.
342 posted on 11/19/2003 6:40:41 PM PST by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to...)
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