Competing Versions of JFK Assassination Hit TV

NewsMax.com ^ | 11/16/03 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

[DustyMoment]

John Connally was a great governor and he may have been good friends with LBJ. When you look at LBJ's history, I don't think he would have hesitated to put Connally or anyone else in harm's way to achieve his political agenda. He, like Clinton, was only in it for the power, nothing else, except Lady Bird and his daughters, mattered to him. Notice that they were nowhere to be placed in danger.

From LBJ's perspective, the WH was supposed to be his for the taking. LBJ, is not a choirboy by any stretch of the imagination. After LBJ's death, a well-known biographer announced his intention to write a two-volume biography on LBJ. When the first volume was completed and printed, the biographer (whose name I have forgotten) announced that he would, likely, never complete the second volume. He wouldn't go into specifics, but he did say that he was so disheartened by what he had learned in his research about the man that he no longer wanted to complete the project. And, this biographer was someone who was both a great admirer and supporter of LBJ's when he initially began writing the biography.

Given LBJ's political affiliations in Texas, where better for him to have JFK assassinated than Texas? He was already reputed to have murdered more than one person in Texas for political gain and gotten away with it, where better to murder a sitting president? He had too many political cronies and too much political power after being sworn in as president to be charged with the assassination. And, he knew that Texans would rise up in revolt at the time if someone had tried to charge him with JFK's assassination.

Granted, I don't have the facts one way or the other, anymore than the next person. I have a whole lot of smoke and that smoke keeps leading me back to LBJ.

[Tall_Texan]

He would never put Connelly in such a dangerous situation. Let me just say, would he have ever suvived the wrath of Lady Bird if anything happened to Nellie?

It had been said that LBJ was still arguing about the seating arrangements in the motorcade the morning of the ride. LBJ was paired with the liberal Sen. Yarborough whom he disliked. He wanted Yarborough to ride with JFK.

Maybe (just speculating) LBJ knew what was about to happen and afterwards told Connally and somehow won (or bought off) his forgiveness. Then again, Connally also switched to the Republican Party before LBJ died.

[aristeides]

I'll be very interested to see how Robert Caro deals with LBJ's vice presidency and presidency.

Among LBJ's other sins, if Operation Cyanide: How the Bombing of the USS Liberty Nearly Caused World War III is to be believed, LBJ deliberately set up the USS Liberty to be attacked.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: Did you really have to remind me about Billie Sol?

Yes! :>)

There was something about the murder of U.S. Ag inspector Henry Marshall that affected me and many others at the time.

Though ruled a suicide (five shots with a bolt action rifle) and nothing in the mainstream press nevertheless there were limited circulation publications that talked about it. There was no Internet and discussion on radio was being shut down by liberals' FCC "Fairness Doctrine" complaints against the stations' owners.

LBJ as president brought changes. Even the ties between Billie Sol and LBJ / Lady Bird were ignored. Bobby Baker's criminal activities were no longer being reported. The only scandals were picking up a beagle by its ears and some poor devil in LBJ's White House getting caught in the YMCA.

The "anti-war" frenzy is another story.

I have not read Barr McClellan's new book (http://www.barrmcclellan.com/press.html) but I knew at the the time that LBJ was no good. The "anti-war" leftist hated him because they wanted to see the U.S. defeated in Vietnam. Many of us just knew that he was no good.

[leadpenny]

Check out post #7. Interesting insight.

[Petronski]

I'm not as certain as you of your narrative, though I lean in that direction. One thing that seems certain to me, there was at least one other shooter, behind the fence on the grassy knoll.

And Arlen Specter can kiss my lumpy white ass.

[InterceptPoint]

IMO, the answers lead straight back to LBJ.

You may be right. One thing for sure is that the assassination of John Kennedy was a pivotal event in twentieth century topped only by the two world wars and the fall of the Soviet Union. That crime led directly to the rise of Lyndon Johnson to the Presidency and the launch of the Great Society programs that have moved this nation further and faster along the road to a socialist dictatorship then anyone could have anticipated.

The huge national debt, the welfare society, almost but not quite socialized medicine, confiscatory taxes and the loss of the moral basis that we had as a nation as late as the 50's are all the result of the socialist programs of Lyndon Johnson. It will take a hundred years and a bloody civil war in this country to undo the harm that man did to this country. It is not hard for me to believe that Kennedy's death was more than just a happy coincidence to Lyndon Johnson.

[Keith]

1) Oswald was a terrible shot...check out his USMC records...barely passed.

2)the Russians he went hunting with used to laugh with him because he is the only one who could hit a rabbit...even with a shotgun.

3)Even the Warren Commission backed off the "Oswald seen at shooting range" crap because he was living separately from Marina at the time and the supposed crime weapon was still sitting in Mrs. Paine's garage wrapped in a blanket.

The guy had nitrates on his hands (probably DID kill Tippit with a PISTOL), but nothing on his cheek..which there should have been with a three shot stand with a bolt-action rifle...never happened.

[Keith]

make that laugh AT him and COULDN"T hit a rabbit...

[pctech]

I agree with you for the most part. I believe, however, that LBJ was taking orders from someone higher up than himself. I know that sounds completely wacky, but I firmly believe his assasination was the work of other organizations besides the VP. The Mafia comes to light, as does Castro. But there could be another party to this murder, and until someone comes out and implicates them the true reason for this trajedy will never be known.

[Bernard Marx]

Castro had nothing to be mad at JFK about.

Except maybe ongoing attempts to assassinate him. You might be interested in reading Epstein's review of the matter at:

http://edwardjayepstein.com/archived/castro.htm

[Keith]

Castro is a jerk and a despot, but not a nut. He had NO reason to put LBJ in the White House...

Oswald THOUGHT he was working for the Feebies trying to catch some gun runners...that's why he ordered a rifle mail order when you could walk into any Dallas gun shop and buy that rifle cheaper...he was then supposed to sell the rifle to the contact and they would have the buyer for federal mail fraud. It's also why LHO has all the aliases.

Instead, the rifle with his palm print is used to tie him to the crime with a perfect bullet with outstanding ballistic marks (plant)but not blood or tissue on it and three times as much material in JFK and Connally as was possible to be missing from the perfect bullet.

It was a setup...and you use your low level idiot as the patsy because in New Orleans he was being used to tar tiny little leftist organizations by passing out Castro-sympathizing leaflets.

The key to the whole assassination is this...why was LHO impersonated in Mexico City when he was supposedly trying to get a visa into Cuba from either the Russians or the Cubans(This is an issue the Warren Commission struggled with and eventually dropped as too disturbing of their pre-drawn conclusions to deal with. Now we have the documents and many more from CIA and FBI confirm this worry of US Intel...who impersonated Oswald...and why?)...and by whom...who was behind that? Who gains by tying the patsy to the Russians and the Cubans?

[Keith]

Unquestionably the mob was involved, Ruby was their "fixer" in Dallas...one of the few decent pieces of investigation done by the 1978 House Select Committee on Assassinations.

But don't forget who their partner was during that time...they had been working with anti-Castro Cubans and some covert intel types (Howard Hunt) to kill Castro. Did they turn this machinery on Kennedy instead?

[Keith]

You are better off renting "Executive Action" instead...both are flawed...We know so much more now than then...

[Keith]

You have been reading too much Posner...Mind Closed is more like it.

You can't violate physics...JFK was hit almost simultaneously by shots from back of head and side of temple from fence area. THats why his head jerks back...why the policeman to left rear of him got splattered with blood and brain..why said policemen ditched his bike and ran towards the knoll...why Jackie crawled on back of limo to retrieve his skull from the trunk of the car...why they found a piece of his skull in the street the next day by the inside triangle of the Plaza...and on and on and on...

Posner...all the evidence that fits his conclusion...forget the rest and knock down any straw men you can build for your publisher at Random House...

[Keith]

Castro had JFK's secret promise after the missle crisis that there would be no more attempts on his life or at his overthrow. We still keep those today...LBJ was much more likely to break that than JFK was.

The Warren Commission whitewash is proof that the US Gov't was involved...it's like the lame Clinton investigations...

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Castro is a jerk and a despot, but not a nut.

In 1973 a plot by Castro to murder Nixon was uncovered, it was that episode that started to make more people think he might have been involved in the assassination of JFK.

Two months before the hit, on Sept. 7, 1963 Castro publicly warned that if attempts on his life by the CIA did not stop, US leaders would be in danger.

The key to the whole assassination is this...why was LHO impersonated in Mexico City when he was supposedly trying to get a visa into Cuba from either the Russians or the Cubans

There are conflicting stories on this, some say that Oswald was in Mexico City just prior to the murder, other reports indicate he was impersonated. If it was an imposter, that would most likely indicate that the communist conspiracy was a setup, but even then I would tend to believe the mafia working with maybe some rogue agents within the government were involved.

Those two scenarios seem more plausible to me than an LBJ involvement. But any theory is more credible than it being a lone-nut hit, so I do not discount the possibility that LBJ was involved, only that it was unlikely.

[archy]

previous paoter has made a good point about the Texas Schoolbook Depository. If Oswald were as bright as we are supposed to believe and is the sole perpetrator of the assassination, there was a much better shot as the whole entourage was coming toward the School Book Depository before it made its turn. I think that's why he was told to wait until after the motorcade made its turn before he started firing - because the real assassins were by the railroad overpass - in front of the motorcade, NOT behind it. If Oswald was working alone, of course. If not, it should be considered that he waited until the target was inside the kill zone of the other shooters, and from his elevated observation position, his first shot was more a signal to begin the ball than the serious *meat shot* attempt. And it was after that first shot that Secret Service driver Greer stopped the car dead rather than floorboarding it.

Vince Palamara's partial list of other USSS-related descrepancies:

Let the government have their Oswald-did-it fairy tale, let's get to work (I certainly have). Forget Hoover's FBI (with J. Edgar long dead and a monstrous bureaucracy), forget the CIA (if you don't believe their lies, would you dare believe their truths), forget the Mafia (Oswald's uncle and some hearsay notwithstanding)...the Secret Service were ultimately responsible for JFK (in life and in death). Look at the following list for confirmation of the need to approach this case from a fresh angle -- the notion of a case for criminal negligence (a.k.a. willful misconduct):

1. The planning of JFK's trip to Dallas was a Secret Service task. More to the point, contrary to "official" history, the Secret Service was responsible for both the publication and the hazardous change of the motorcade route (11/18 - 11/19/63).

2. The bubbletop's removal was a Secret Service decision.

3. The removal of agents from JFK's limousine was a Secret Service decision.

4. The Secret Service knew about several mortal threats to JFK's life made merely days before Dallas (Hoover did relay some threats after all).

5. The Secret Service altered the Dallas Police Department's motorcycle deployment plans specifically for 11/22/63.

6. The Secret Service altered the Dallas Police Department's plan to have a squad car in close proximity to the JFK limousine.

7. The SAIC of the Secret Service follow-up car ordered the men not to move during the shooting, even recalling one of his agents who began to disobey him.

8. The Secret Service covered-up the drinking incident of 11/21 - 11/22/63.

9. The Secret Service stole the body of JFK away from both the Dallas doctors and the U. S. Army in Washington on 11/22/63.

10. The Secret Service altered the JFK limousine.

11. The Secret Service altered the testimony of the Dallas doctor's statements about the frontal entrance wounds.

12. A few Secret Service agents were suspiciously absent from the Texas tour.

13. The Secret Service is responsible for the premature approval of the Trade Mart as JFK's destination on 11/22/63.

14. The Secret Service, despite at least three known checks, could find not one threat to JFK in Texas, an impossibility.

15. The Secret Service had primary knowledge of JFK's personal and private life.

16. The Secret Service is responsible for the alteration of the motorcade in regards to the original, numerical order of vehicles.

17. Secret Service agents of mysterious repute were identified in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 apart from those officially known to exist.

18. The slow turn onto Elm Street - and the 90o and 130o turns - were violations of strict Secret Service regulations.

19. The Secret Service was responsible for LBJ taking over Air Force One after the murder of JFK.

20. Chief Rowley of the Secret Service admitted to unnamed studies conducted in the month of November in the year 1963.

21. The Secret Service agent who officially had possession of the "magic bullet" (CE 399) does not now remember having possession of it.

Vince Palamara

-archy-/-

[Lucy Lake]

Pinging you to # 7.

[Lucy Lake]

Thanks for the ping. At the time I thought LBJ was behind the assassination, and so far, nothing over the years has changed my mind.