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1 posted on 11/13/2003 6:43:47 AM PST by TroutStalker
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2 posted on 11/13/2003 6:44:59 AM PST by mhking
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3 posted on 11/13/2003 6:48:14 AM PST by stainlessbanner (Grits & Gravy)
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ping to myself for later
4 posted on 11/13/2003 6:56:54 AM PST by Smogger
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Mr. Steel’s remarks are thought provoking, but I wonder about his expertise on the War Between the States as he takes a battle flag to more emotional heights than warranted. The “Civil War” was anything but – it was a war about tariffs; the South was paying some 80% and got a little tired of carrying the load for the rest of the nation at that time. After many eloquent requests and petitions for the North to make tariffs more equitable and were refused, the South wanted to secede. Slavery was brought into the picture later by Lincoln only to make the war more palatable.
6 posted on 11/13/2003 7:12:48 AM PST by yoe (Term Limits - and 2 terms are the limit for all elected to a Federal office!!)
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No group in recent history has more aggressively seized power in the name of its racial superiority than Western whites.

Mr. Steele marred an otherwise excellent article by including that statement, which at best reeks of parochialism and over-simplification. For he ignores other shining examples from recent history, such as the Japanese experience. Japan was certainly a colonial power (ask the Chinese and Koreans, for example) driven to acts of barbarity and cruelty by their sense of racial identity and superiority. And, he also ignores the fact that no group in recent history has, to a greater degree than whites, more aggressively fought those people (including other whites) who would grab power in the name of racial superiority. I also have a vague recollection that it was predominantly white nations who fought against Naziism and against Japan, and who also fought against black slavery.

7 posted on 11/13/2003 7:13:30 AM PST by Zeppo
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No group in recent history has more aggressively seized power in the name of its racial superiority than Western whites. This race illustrated for all time--through colonialism, slavery, white racism, Nazism--the extraordinary human evil that follows when great power is joined to an atavistic sense of superiority and destiny.

What crap.

What's the deal on Steele, is he a black pundit trying to find dry ground?

People of color still practice slavery and exploit the caste system. People of color who raped Nanking have no regard for people of their own color to this very day.

On the other hand,

"Western whites" are the reason you are sitting in a sanitary, heated, illuminated, comfortable...(place to read this)

Western whites are the reason your mother lives into her dotage and your father went nuts over the Packers. Western whites brought you democracy, art, capitalism, Christianity, the scientific method and bubble gum.

Western whites make the world work. Yes, we aggresively "seized power." Pity for the rest of the world that our values could not have better prevailed.
9 posted on 11/13/2003 7:16:56 AM PST by nathanbedford
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"White racism, black separatism, Islamic extremism and Nazism are all atavistic identities gone too far..."

Uh, Shelby. That would be BLACK RACISM. Do I really need to point out examples for you?

11 posted on 11/13/2003 7:27:46 AM PST by sauropod (Stop the Racist Democratic Filibuster!)
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:The underlying irony here is that white guilt has given America a liberalism that revives as virtue the precise moral formula at the core of fascism: power justified by race alone..."

Steele is wrong here. I recommend the Ominous Parallels by Peikoff for an intelligent discussion of this topic and the rise of phenomena such as Nazism.

12 posted on 11/13/2003 7:31:26 AM PST by sauropod (Stop the Racist Democratic Filibuster!)
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.The next step is to turn white southern racists into a victim group in need of "services". Read "services" to mean a piece of other people's tax dollars -- an unearned piece in exchange for a vote.

Democrat's blatant manipulations used to create anger and dependence are obvious. The payoff is powerless, angry and loyal voters. White southern voters are in the crosshairs... They better run.

"I don't think he was letting slip a long repressed affection for white supremacy and the lost Confederacy. He was playing identity politics, the new "progressive" and "inclusive" politics of our age. In effect he was identifying a new race, a new neglected race and, thus, a new wellspring of political power and Democratic votes.

19 posted on 11/13/2003 8:09:50 AM PST by GOPJ
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The last paragraph is the most telling of the article and for purpose. Steele and many others see that the wheels are coming off the wagons of modern liberalism. Once "White Guilt" becomes passe amongst enough people any continued attempts at Mau Mau will be met not with gifts but with bullets.
20 posted on 11/13/2003 8:10:36 AM PST by junta
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Yet Mr. Dean did not cross this taboo as a racist; he crossed it as a hard-core liberal

... and the primary or significant difference between the two being...? :)

24 posted on 11/13/2003 8:31:30 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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