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Would it matter if Prince Charles were gay?
Irish Independent ^ | 11/11/03 | Deborah Orr

Posted on 11/11/2003 12:08:26 PM PST by dead

THERE HAVE been a number of really fabulous royal headlines over the past few weeks. But my own favourite was one splashed on the front of the Daily Express. "85per cent say Diana was murdered", the paper proclaimed, as if that settled the matter.

This, I believed at the time, was the height of absurdity - a gormless pretence that the idle speculation of a self-selected group has the ability retrospectively to ordain the motivations behind an event. It's a shoddy simulacrum of democracy indeed that is invoked to suggest that gossip and rumour could somehow be transfigured into fact and reality as long as enough people believed them. How quickly though, the absurdity has achieved new heights.

Now, it seems, the entire world is being invited to speculate about rumour and gossip, even though the rumour and gossip is so insubstantial that no news organisation in the land can stand it up as a genuine story.

Even the Mail on Sunday, which ignited the situation by preparing to print the allegations of the former valet George Smith last weekend, did not plan to suggest in its pages that the allegations had substance. That is why the man who served an injunction against the paper, Michael Fawcett, was able to obtain it, unusually, on grounds of libel instead of privacy.

Charles has been candid about the fact that he himself is at the centre of the allegations, and that they are not true. His former valet may have wanted to muzzle the press, but Charles appears to have been more relaxed about the whole thing. Even now, he appears to feel that it will eventually drift away.

Maybe this is because he knew that the story would emerge anyway. No paper in England and Wales has risked contempt of court by spelling it out. But even without the help of the internet, any interested person has been able to piece together the general gist from the naming of Mr Fawcett as the person who applied for the injunction, the naming of Charles as the royal at the centre of the allegations, and from the denials from his friends and press allies that he is gay or bisexual.

But maybe it is because Prince Charles is socially liberal enough to understand that these allegations are not, despite the horrified hype behind them, very dangerous at all. Perhaps he understands that nowadays only hate-driven homophobes even consider hints about gay sexual activity to be any sort of a slur.

As a republican I'm happy enough to argue why it is that Prince Charles should not be king. But I would I not consider homosexual tendencies as a bar to the throne of England. In fact, rather than considering the end to justify the means, I'd find it downright offensive if this were the private detail of a private life that brought Charles down. And while it is true that such allegations, if true, would suggest that Prince Charles had other failings, I'm afraid that all of those are already very much in the public domain. They would tell us that he is not sexually faithful. But we know this already from his treatment of his wife, the mother of his young children. They would tell us that he does not respect the proper boundaries between himself and his staff.

But we know this already because we know about how he likes to have his toothpaste squeezed for him, his wee bottle held for him, and his elaborate set of transitional objects packed for him when he travels.

These revelations I feel to be more shocking and more indicative of an unattractive and unchecked neediness than the allegation that he may as an unmarried man with a tolerant girlfriend have submitted to a sexual act with an intimate employee. Which is not to say that the Prince is all bad. Unlike many of the other members of the Royal Family, he pays his staff well, and tries to look after them. Even poor George Smith, the former employee now being used so appallingly in this frenzied attack on Charles, has been treated with sympathy by the prince.

Princess Diana - the caring, compassionate one - nipped down to the Priory while the man was being treated for alcoholism and mental health problems, and milked him, tape-recorder whirring, for anything he might know that she could use for her own ends.

Charles - the cold and uncaring one - had sent him there and footed the bill for his treatment.

It would be ugly indeed if there were witnesses out there who knew that there may be some truth in this man's allegations, but choose to remain silent out of deference to the Royal Household. It would be ugly, but again unsurprising.

Unfair deference, the elevating of one man at the expense of others, is and will always be part of the disease of the monarchical system. In the meantime though, we are all invited to become implicated in the ugliness, asked to make a guess as to whether there is truth in these allegations or not, and support or condemn a man on the strength of nothing but unconfirmed gossip and anti-gay prejudice.

© Independent News Service


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: princecharles
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To: dead
Would it matter if Prince Charles were gay?

I think it would matter if he was involved in the coverup of the rape of Smith. I also think it would matter if he or any other member of the royal family was involved in the death of Diana.

41 posted on 11/11/2003 12:56:12 PM PST by aristeides
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To: seowulf
In 1327 Edward II was murdered in Berkeley Castle.....
Screams could be heard coming from the castle for several days before they finally stopped.

I've read the same history. I understand the Barons did the act by using a metal funnel to prepare the entry point for the hot iron, so as to leave no marks on the Kings body. The death was ruled by "natural causes" and no British Sovereign has been "openly gay" since. The "screams" of Ed2 were heard down the Centuries by royals.

42 posted on 11/11/2003 1:03:49 PM PST by elbucko
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To: dead
Well DUH!!!

Could be England's first individual King and Queen...
43 posted on 11/11/2003 1:06:44 PM PST by null and void
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To: null and void
in 750 years or so...
44 posted on 11/11/2003 1:08:52 PM PST by null and void (*sigh*)
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To: null and void
Hang on a second. Suppose Prince Charles is gay, dumps the girlfriend, and takes on some pretty boy as a "friend." If he then takes the throne, will that make his "friend" Prince Consort?

No real joke here, just wondering.
45 posted on 11/11/2003 1:10:44 PM PST by exile (Exile - Proudly ticking off the left since 1992.)
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To: dead

I am well versed in the art of matching tartan trews sire!

46 posted on 11/11/2003 1:13:18 PM PST by kinghorse
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To: exile
Haven't a clue.

Any Brits want to put in their 2 pence worth?
47 posted on 11/11/2003 1:13:43 PM PST by null and void
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To: dead
It wouldn't matter if he was gay, nobody takes him serious anyways.
48 posted on 11/11/2003 1:15:05 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: dead
Could it be that people who want to believe this rumor are hiding a secret wish that now they have a chance to hit it off with Charlie?
49 posted on 11/11/2003 1:16:59 PM PST by stripes1776
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To: dead
Charlie is a punk. No, seriously. He purchases a brood mare to create heirs, then goes back to his married girlfriend....who of course is not suitable for producing royal heirs. Bahhhhh! Diana was murdered, imo. I liked Diana. She had chutzpah :)
50 posted on 11/11/2003 1:18:24 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (I held my nose and voted for Arnold)
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Does he matter?
51 posted on 11/11/2003 1:19:04 PM PST by forktail
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To: dead
Would it matter if Prince Charles were gay?

How would we be able to tell?

52 posted on 11/11/2003 1:22:28 PM PST by Gulf War One
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To: dead

"Oh no, no this shiite again!"

53 posted on 11/11/2003 1:25:01 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Far out, man!)
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To: dead
Would it matter if Prince Charles were gay?

Not anymore - he's already reproduced.

54 posted on 11/11/2003 1:25:52 PM PST by brewcrew
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To: null and void
Any Brits want to put in their 2 pence worth?

or maybe a 3 pound bill?

55 posted on 11/11/2003 1:27:48 PM PST by putupon (WooHoo! Internet line finally fixed. Too bad for you, Mr. Boss, back to all day FReeping for me :-)
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To: Happygal
~eh, since you live "next door" to jolly England, maybe you'd have a feel for the answer to my question.

If in fact the *Prince* is gay?

...can there be two Queens?

56 posted on 11/11/2003 1:34:08 PM PST by Landru
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To: dead
Not really, he would be some sort of head of the Church of England, Episcopals in the US, and you know how THEY feel aobut homosexuality.
57 posted on 11/11/2003 1:34:20 PM PST by mlmr (The Naked and the Fred)
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To: Landru
If in fact the *Prince* is gay?

I would have never thought he was gay. Although, I did think he might be into beastiality! (Have you seen Camilla Parker Bowles) *L*

...can there be two Queens?

I don't think so. But Prince Edward seems to walk with a stammer. Maybe he's looking for a Princess title? *L*

58 posted on 11/11/2003 2:08:41 PM PST by Happygal
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To: Happygal
"I would have never thought he was gay."

There's the whole crux of any ruse, eh?

"Although, I did think he might be into beastiality! (Have you seen Camilla Parker Bowles)"

Aye Lass, I see your point.
~& now *you* can politely stop reading my mind any time you choose. :o)

>...can there be two Queens?
"I don't think so. But Prince Edward seems to walk with a stammer."

Then I know no more now than I did then.
Gee thanks, Angel.

"Maybe he's looking for a Princess title?"

Maybe he is.

...locating a tiara that'll fit 'em oughta be a real challenge. {g}

59 posted on 11/11/2003 2:20:37 PM PST by Landru
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To: dead
Guess articles like this, and the coverage I've seen over the last couple of days, means Chuck's denials aren't getting him anywhere and this is the new tack to take: Well, if he is gay, what of it?! (Said in appropriately high dudgeon, of course.)
60 posted on 11/11/2003 2:24:39 PM PST by mewzilla
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