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"Do Not Call" Means Poorest May Lose Jobs
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Posted on 11/11/2003 10:23:26 AM PST by LowCountryJoe
According to The Los Angeles Times, "Last summer, the federal government announced a national registry for consumers who want to block telemarketers from calling them. Americans rushed to sign up.
"Of the nation's 166 million residential numbers, 51 million are now off-limits to telemarketers. Despite ongoing court challenges, the list went into effect last month.
"The crackdown might be welcomed by consumers, but not by telemarketers like Millican, many of whom survive on the economic fringe. The nation has lost 2.6 million jobs in two years, and the 'do not call' list is expected to put hundreds of thousands more people out of work."
In "Like It Or Not, Free Speech Protects Telemarketers, Too", Cato's Robert Levy, senior fellow in constitutional studies, argues that "when government sets the rules, it must not discriminate based on the content of the calls. That's what the First Amendment means. Free speech is not subject to plebiscite, no matter how many millions sign up for no-call. [Supreme Court] Justice William Brennan got it right: 'If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable.'"
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To: Held_to_Ransom
When one person does not respect, and tramples on the freedom of another, it is the goverment's responsibility to step in and do something about it. My freedom is being taken away everytime a telemarketer rings my house because I have to stop what I am doing while in the privacy of my own home just to be annoyed, and give them my full attention for however long I am kept on the phone. Whether it be the FCC, or another branch of the government, it is time for them to put a stop to this insufferable invasion called telemarketing.
To: palmer
you give up noise free living when you moved next to me Nope. If you insist on disturbing the peace by making noise, you will be visited by the police. If you continue, you will eventually wind up in jail. This is as it should be.
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posted on
11/17/2003 11:46:33 AM PST
by
steve-b
To: LowCountryJoe
There is also such a thing as my freedom not to listen to your dumb @$$. If I called you out of the blue, whenever the desire struck me, and started talking about whatever I felt like talking about, you would sue me for harrassment and win.
383
posted on
11/17/2003 11:49:12 AM PST
by
BSunday
(I'm not the bad guy)
To: Holly_P
Once inside, my house becomes a dictatorshipBelieve it or not, I actually had to explain this to my teenage daughter the other day.
384
posted on
11/17/2003 11:51:45 AM PST
by
BSunday
(I'm not the bad guy)
To: Catspaw
I started trying a new trick I learned on FR and it works pretty good. I just ask them to hold on a minute, then i put the phone down, since they are paying for the call. I only got to try it once before the list came into effect.
385
posted on
11/17/2003 11:53:50 AM PST
by
BSunday
(I'm not the bad guy)
To: Held_to_Ransom
When they call you they don't set foot on, in or near your property
Oh yes they do. Their voices are IN the property which amounts to trespassing.
386
posted on
11/17/2003 11:57:52 AM PST
by
BSunday
(I'm not the bad guy)
To: BSunday
Oh yes they do. Their voices are IN the property which amounts to trespassing. Since Held_to_Ransom was banned, I guess I'll answer for him. Sound waves can be regulated just as radio waves are if they interfere with something inside your property (or outside). The FCC would decline to regulate in your case because you are not providing a service that is being interfered with. Even if you did your outgoing calls would not be impacted. Even if they were, there are numerous work-arounds to avoid the need to regulate.
But the bottom line is spectrum is not property, therefore this isn't trespass.
387
posted on
11/17/2003 12:28:37 PM PST
by
palmer
(They've reinserted my posting tube)
To: palmer
Still trying to argue the impossible, I see.
LOL.
388
posted on
11/17/2003 12:31:12 PM PST
by
NittanyLion
(Character Counts)
To: steve-b
It's trespassing. No, it's disturbing the peace. Well, which is it?
389
posted on
11/17/2003 12:32:22 PM PST
by
palmer
(They've reinserted my posting tube)
To: palmer
But the bottom line is spectrum is not propertyThat is pretty much the same thing as saying that air is not property, which I agree with, but has nothing to do with the issue because it's not the medium, it's the place the medium ends up. The spectrum is not propery, but my telephone is my property, and if I don't want your voice in it, then you are "verbally trespassing". But there are more creative ways to deal with telemarketers than with more legislation.
390
posted on
11/17/2003 12:33:53 PM PST
by
BSunday
(I'm not the bad guy)
To: LowCountryJoe
In a related story, rapists are suing to overturn laws that interfer with their right of sex-upon-demand.
391
posted on
11/17/2003 12:36:40 PM PST
by
Jeff Gordon
(Why can't we all just get along and do things my way?)
To: Jeff Gordon
Jeff Gordon wrote: "In a related story, rapists are suing to overturn laws that interfer with their right of sex-upon-demand."
The same big government that wants to protect you from yourself and those greedy, intrusive solicitors is the same big government that wants you to be dependant on it for your own security; hence the hostility directed at the 2nd amendment and a societal fear of guns.
Did you know that Eleanor Roosevelt openly carried a revolver? A liberal female icon that was proud to carry. We've come a long way baby! Now, many conservatives fear guns.
Let's just keep asking the government to do more for us!
To: LowCountryJoe; hchutch
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posted on
11/17/2003 1:08:54 PM PST
by
Poohbah
("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
To: LowCountryJoe
The only reason that the government is getting involved is that the telemarketers refused to police themselves, and actively worked to defeat individual efforts to get them to cease and desist from their offensive actions.
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posted on
11/17/2003 1:11:31 PM PST
by
Poohbah
("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
To: NittanyLion
I would call it arguing with the impossible.
395
posted on
11/17/2003 3:03:27 PM PST
by
palmer
(They've reinserted my posting tube)
To: LowCountryJoe
Now, many conservatives fear guns. If you will agree to let us shoot telemarketers, I will agree to repeal the "Do not call" law.
396
posted on
11/17/2003 3:46:49 PM PST
by
Jeff Gordon
(Why can't we all just get along and do things my way?)
To: Jeff Gordon
Bullets don't go through phone wires very well. Better to have remote-detonated collars on the telemarketers that can be command-detonated through punching in *99 when the annoying caller is into his spiel.
397
posted on
11/17/2003 3:51:14 PM PST
by
Poohbah
("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
To: Poohbah
Bullets don't go through phone wires very well. I agree. The real payback for their invasion of privacy is in the thrill of the hunt. Track 'em down and wake 'em up in the middle of the night.
398
posted on
11/17/2003 4:16:11 PM PST
by
Jeff Gordon
(Why can't we all just get along and do things my way?)
To: Jeff Gordon
Jeff 'Speed Racer' Gorden wrote: "If you will agree to let us shoot telemarketers, I will agree to repeal the "Do not call" law."
If it is our call to make, sure, agreed. handshake?
To: The Clemson Tiger
Libertarians are always opposed to the rights of people to decide what kind of a society they are to live in.
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