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"Do Not Call" Means Poorest May Lose Jobs
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Posted on 11/11/2003 10:23:26 AM PST by LowCountryJoe

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To: Held_to_Ransom
When one person does not respect, and tramples on the freedom of another, it is the goverment's responsibility to step in and do something about it. My freedom is being taken away everytime a telemarketer rings my house because I have to stop what I am doing while in the privacy of my own home just to be annoyed, and give them my full attention for however long I am kept on the phone. Whether it be the FCC, or another branch of the government, it is time for them to put a stop to this insufferable invasion called telemarketing.
381 posted on 11/17/2003 11:37:39 AM PST by gawatchman
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To: palmer
you give up noise free living when you moved next to me

Nope. If you insist on disturbing the peace by making noise, you will be visited by the police. If you continue, you will eventually wind up in jail. This is as it should be.

382 posted on 11/17/2003 11:46:33 AM PST by steve-b
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To: LowCountryJoe
There is also such a thing as my freedom not to listen to your dumb @$$. If I called you out of the blue, whenever the desire struck me, and started talking about whatever I felt like talking about, you would sue me for harrassment and win.
383 posted on 11/17/2003 11:49:12 AM PST by BSunday (I'm not the bad guy)
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To: Holly_P
Once inside, my house becomes a dictatorship

Believe it or not, I actually had to explain this to my teenage daughter the other day.

384 posted on 11/17/2003 11:51:45 AM PST by BSunday (I'm not the bad guy)
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To: Catspaw
I started trying a new trick I learned on FR and it works pretty good. I just ask them to hold on a minute, then i put the phone down, since they are paying for the call. I only got to try it once before the list came into effect.
385 posted on 11/17/2003 11:53:50 AM PST by BSunday (I'm not the bad guy)
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To: Held_to_Ransom
When they call you they don't set foot on, in or near your property

Oh yes they do. Their voices are IN the property which amounts to trespassing.

386 posted on 11/17/2003 11:57:52 AM PST by BSunday (I'm not the bad guy)
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To: BSunday
Oh yes they do. Their voices are IN the property which amounts to trespassing.

Since Held_to_Ransom was banned, I guess I'll answer for him. Sound waves can be regulated just as radio waves are if they interfere with something inside your property (or outside). The FCC would decline to regulate in your case because you are not providing a service that is being interfered with. Even if you did your outgoing calls would not be impacted. Even if they were, there are numerous work-arounds to avoid the need to regulate.

But the bottom line is spectrum is not property, therefore this isn't trespass.

387 posted on 11/17/2003 12:28:37 PM PST by palmer (They've reinserted my posting tube)
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To: palmer
Still trying to argue the impossible, I see.

LOL.

388 posted on 11/17/2003 12:31:12 PM PST by NittanyLion (Character Counts)
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To: steve-b
It's trespassing. No, it's disturbing the peace. Well, which is it?
389 posted on 11/17/2003 12:32:22 PM PST by palmer (They've reinserted my posting tube)
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To: palmer
But the bottom line is spectrum is not property

That is pretty much the same thing as saying that air is not property, which I agree with, but has nothing to do with the issue because it's not the medium, it's the place the medium ends up. The spectrum is not propery, but my telephone is my property, and if I don't want your voice in it, then you are "verbally trespassing". But there are more creative ways to deal with telemarketers than with more legislation.

390 posted on 11/17/2003 12:33:53 PM PST by BSunday (I'm not the bad guy)
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To: LowCountryJoe
In a related story, rapists are suing to overturn laws that interfer with their right of sex-upon-demand.
391 posted on 11/17/2003 12:36:40 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Why can't we all just get along and do things my way?)
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To: Jeff Gordon
Jeff Gordon wrote: "In a related story, rapists are suing to overturn laws that interfer with their right of sex-upon-demand."

The same big government that wants to protect you from yourself and those greedy, intrusive solicitors is the same big government that wants you to be dependant on it for your own security; hence the hostility directed at the 2nd amendment and a societal fear of guns.

Did you know that Eleanor Roosevelt openly carried a revolver? A liberal female icon that was proud to carry. We've come a long way baby! Now, many conservatives fear guns.

Let's just keep asking the government to do more for us!

392 posted on 11/17/2003 1:04:47 PM PST by LowCountryJoe
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393 posted on 11/17/2003 1:08:54 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: LowCountryJoe
The only reason that the government is getting involved is that the telemarketers refused to police themselves, and actively worked to defeat individual efforts to get them to cease and desist from their offensive actions.
394 posted on 11/17/2003 1:11:31 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: NittanyLion
I would call it arguing with the impossible.
395 posted on 11/17/2003 3:03:27 PM PST by palmer (They've reinserted my posting tube)
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To: LowCountryJoe
Now, many conservatives fear guns.

If you will agree to let us shoot telemarketers, I will agree to repeal the "Do not call" law.

396 posted on 11/17/2003 3:46:49 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Why can't we all just get along and do things my way?)
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To: Jeff Gordon
Bullets don't go through phone wires very well. Better to have remote-detonated collars on the telemarketers that can be command-detonated through punching in *99 when the annoying caller is into his spiel.
397 posted on 11/17/2003 3:51:14 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Poohbah
Bullets don't go through phone wires very well.

I agree. The real payback for their invasion of privacy is in the thrill of the hunt. Track 'em down and wake 'em up in the middle of the night.

398 posted on 11/17/2003 4:16:11 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Why can't we all just get along and do things my way?)
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To: Jeff Gordon
Jeff 'Speed Racer' Gorden wrote: "If you will agree to let us shoot telemarketers, I will agree to repeal the "Do not call" law."

If it is our call to make, sure, agreed. handshake?
399 posted on 11/17/2003 6:36:21 PM PST by LowCountryJoe
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To: The Clemson Tiger
Libertarians are always opposed to the rights of people to decide what kind of a society they are to live in.
400 posted on 11/17/2003 6:41:29 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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