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Freedom Fighters (A Tribute to the NCO Corps)
New York Post ^
| 11/11/2003
| Ralph Peters
Posted on 11/11/2003 6:40:24 AM PST by A Simple Soldier
Edited on 05/26/2004 5:17:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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November 11, 2003 -- THEY looked so old. That was the thing that struck me. Men in their late 30s, they looked at least 10 - sometimes 20 - years older. And they were the survivors.
I was a lieutenant when I reported in to the 1st Battalion of the 46th Infantry. As an enlisted man in the bitter peace of the 1970s, I had already seen the wreckage of Vietnam, the non-commissioned officers so badly shot up that they could no longer serve in the infantry, but had to be posted to easier jobs in support units to "make their 20."
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TOPICS: Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ralphpeters; tribute; veteransday; vietnam; vietnamvets
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Another great piece by my friend, Ralph Peters.
To: A Simple Soldier
Indeed! That was awesome. Thanks for posting.
To: A Simple Soldier
bfl
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posted on
11/11/2003 6:55:22 AM PST
by
dts32041
(Is it time to practice decimation with our representatives?)
To: A Simple Soldier; msdrby
Thanks
4
posted on
11/11/2003 6:56:42 AM PST
by
Prof Engineer
(This is NOT the government the Founders intended. ~ Golden Corral supports troops and veterans)
To: dts32041
Huh??? What is "bfl"?
To: A Simple Soldier
Bump for later
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posted on
11/11/2003 7:14:12 AM PST
by
dts32041
(Is it time to practice decimation with our representatives?)
To: A Simple Soldier
I believe he meant "Bump For Later." He posted that to put it on his
My Comments so he could find it easily when he had more time to look at it.
You know Ralph Peters personally?
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posted on
11/11/2003 7:14:54 AM PST
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(God is not on the side with the biggest battalions. God is on the side with the best shots.)
To: A Simple Soldier
How is an F-22 "nearly useless"?
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posted on
11/11/2003 7:20:02 AM PST
by
T.Smith
To: af_vet_rr; ALOHA RONNIE; American in Israel; American Soldier; archy; armymarinemom; blackbag; ...
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posted on
11/11/2003 7:29:17 AM PST
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(God is not on the side with the biggest battalions. God is on the side with the best shots.)
To: A Simple Soldier
This article says it all. NCOs train, develop and lead small units when it's time to put boots on the ground.
My sons are serving, one waiting on medical discharge for injuries the other at OCPA in Iraq training the defense force. Both NCOs, both young, and both recall their NCOs as mentors and trainers.
As for F-22s, they have their place in the mix. Thuds and Spads saved my young ass in the Highlands more than once.
Bless them all.
Smoke6
My $0.02
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posted on
11/11/2003 7:55:49 AM PST
by
Smoke6
To: Cannoneer No. 4
I'd like to thank my friend, Spc George Adam Haas for joining up.
He joined a medical unit that is currently deployed in Iraq.
He is currently home on leave, and will be back on station soon.
I do bust on him for joining at the same time I was exiting the uniform, but that's because I worry about him.
G, here's to you.
Keep your head down, your kevlump and flakjacket on.
And remember to drink water, dehydration is no fun.
CNo4, thanks.
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posted on
11/11/2003 8:10:44 AM PST
by
Darksheare
(Proving that there are alternate perceptions of surreality Since Oct 2, 2000.)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
Thanks for the ping. This is a wonderful tribute to the NCO corps, the backbone of the force.
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posted on
11/11/2003 8:50:06 AM PST
by
colorado tanker
("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
To: A Simple Soldier
Thanks.
I'm glad that there are officers out there that cared, so many just punched in and out...
I was privileged to work for 2 that were truely "Officers and Gentlemen", the rest were just there.
I think the author has hit the nail on the head when he call being an NCO the most underpaid profession in the world, there is only one other "profession" that does even more for even less.
That would be our mothers...
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posted on
11/11/2003 2:16:49 PM PST
by
cavtrooper21
(I would have gone to work today, but the voices told me to stay home and FREEP!!)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
Thanks for the heads-up. After my father, SFC Robert Sizemore, and SFC Francis J. Culhane were the men who taught me what being a leader is all about. Both long retired, but the soldiers (and 2LT's!) they trained are their legacy.
regards,
To: Cannoneer No. 4
Yes. I know him casually.
To: A Simple Soldier
A bump for the NCO's of the world. Thanks for posting.
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posted on
11/11/2003 8:44:52 PM PST
by
Khurkris
(Ranger On...currently posting from outside of CONUS.)
To: A Simple Soldier
http://www.4literature.net/Rudyard_Kipling/Tommy/ 1892
TOMMY
(From Barrack-Room Ballads)
by Rudyard Kipling
TOMMY -
I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I: -
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an'
"Tommy go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins," when
the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band
begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the
band begins to play. -
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls! -
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an'
"Tommy wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the
trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the
troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the
trooper's on the tide. -
Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit. -
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an'
"Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the
drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums
begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the
drums begin to roll. -
We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints:
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints; -
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an'
"Tommy, fall be'ind,"
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when
there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's
trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when
there's trouble in the wind. -
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace. -
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an'
"Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Savior of 'is country," when the
guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an'
anything you please;
But Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool- you bet
that Tommy sees! - -
THE END
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posted on
11/11/2003 9:55:12 PM PST
by
ahadams2
(Anglican Freeper Resource Page: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican/)
To: A Simple Soldier
Peters implies here that he was an infantry officer. I believe he was an MI officer; if he served in an infantry bat it was as the S-2.
He also suggests our infantry lack body armor. Not true; it is service support troops that don't have the latest Interceptor BA. People who go up against the enemy by job description: infantry, SF, MPs, etc. have had Interceptor & plates since the start of the war (the MPs were the last to get it) and it is being issued to the other troops as fast as it can be manufactured by three contractors. Yes, cooks and clerks can get shot in Iraq, and they deserve this stuff too, but they get shot at a lot less than infantry or SF which is why those elements got it first.
But... this is quibbling. It is a heartfelt essay by a man that loves soldiers and soldiering, and is not a half bad writer. I did have to make these points lest people overreact to them... I will try to reread the column to see if there are a couple of other inaccuracies in there.
d.o.l.
Criminal Number 18F
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posted on
11/12/2003 12:56:50 AM PST
by
Criminal Number 18F
(The essence of life, I concluded, did not lie in the material. -- Charles A. Lindbergh)
To: cavtrooper21
I'm glad that there are officers out there that cared, so many just punched in and out... Roger that. Ralph Peters called them "tourists," which was 70s slang for a ticketpunching officer. In the eighties I also heard "seagulls" -- they fly in, flap and squawk a lot, crap all over everything, and flap away again, having been nothing but a nuisance in the interim!
d.o.l.
Criminal Number 18F
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posted on
11/12/2003 1:00:02 AM PST
by
Criminal Number 18F
(The essence of life, I concluded, did not lie in the material. -- Charles A. Lindbergh)
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