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To: Non-Sequitur
Perhaps it was because that as secretary of state for a country without diplomatic relations with any other country in the entire workd he had nothing else to do?

Now that's an odd statement for you to make. In addition to the thoroughly documented formal diplomatic relations conducted between the confederacy and the vatican, Benjamin was thoroughly involved in informal diplomatic correspondence with countries all over Europe for the entirity of his tenure. In fact, there were so many diplomatic correspondences with the Confederate State Department, both formal and informal, that they fill an entire volume in the government's "Official Records" series.

Or maybe your reference is incorrect.

Nope, it's accurate. I quoted straight out of the Charleston Mercury on the said date. Look it up and check for yourself if you doubt this.

In any case one would assume that if any member of the Davis regime would push for a court it would be the attorney general. He had nothing else to do, either.

For all we know, the AG sought a supreme court as well. As for having nothing to do, that too is another of your willful falsehoods. There is actually a lengthy description of the Justice Dept's activities and personel in that article I quoted the court system description from. But since you are not interested in the truth but rather only making factually unsubstantiated cheap shots against Davis, I do not expect you will take the time to read it either.

The journal of the confederate congress disagrees.

No it doesn't. It documents literally dozens upon dozens of times that the bill was brought up on the floor. At SOME of those times it was tabled while at others it was debated at length.

Was Judah Benjamin not an ally of Davis? (GOPcap)

As a cabinet member Benjamin could be granted a seat in the senate for the purpose of discussing any measure relating to his department. The supreme court fell outside his authority so he couldn't very well participate in the debates on that.

So in other words, you cannot even bring yourself to answer my question. You previously implied that Davis' allies didn't fight for the court. Judah Benjamin fought for the court, as I documented in the Charleston Mercury. So once again: Was or was not Judah Benjamin an ally of Davis?

Didn't Davis have any allies in the senate?

Yes he did, though they were a minority.

There weren't any that seemed willing to fight against the continuous stonewalling done by those you claim were Davis opponents.

Sure there were. Who else do you think kept trying to bring the bill up on the floor? Abe Lincoln? Santa Claus?

782 posted on 11/23/2003 1:07:47 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
"In addition to the thoroughly documented formal diplomatic relations conducted between the [C]onfederacy and the [V]atican ..."

Judah Benjamin diagrees with your charaterization of "formal" relations:

Excerpt from a letter from CSA Secretary of State Judah Benjamin to Dudley Mann, CSA envoy to the Vatican, Richmond, February 1, 1864:

"The President [Jefferson Davis] has been much gratified at learning the cordial reception which you received from the Pope, and the publication of the correspondence here (of which I send you a newspaper slip) has had a good effect. Its best influences, as we hope, will be felt elsewhere in producing a check on the foreign enlistments made by the United States. As a recognition of the Confederate States we can not attach to it the same value that you do, a mere inferential recognition, unconnected with political action or the regular establishment of diplomatic relations, possessing none of the moral weight required for awakening the people of the United States from their delusion that these States still remain members of the old Union. Nothing will end this war but the utter exhaustion of the belligerents, unless, by the action of some of the leading powers of Europe in entering into formal relations with us, the United States are made to perceive that we are in the eyes of the world a separate nation and that the war now waged by them is a foreign, not an intestine or civil war, as it is termed by the Pope. This phrase of his letter shows that his address to the President as "President of the Confederate States" is a formula of politeness to his correspondent, not a political recognition of a fact. None of our public journals treat the letter as a recognition in the sense you attach to it, and Mr. Slidell writes that the Nuncio at Paris on whom he called had received no instructions to put his official visa on our passports, as he had been led to hope from his correspondence with you.

794 posted on 11/24/2003 1:34:27 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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