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Sheesh. Learn some history. Lincoln freed all the slaves. The Emancipation Proclamation freed the ones in Confederate territory (in theory -- practice waited for the arrivals of Union Armies). But the Thirteenth Amendment ended slavery in the US everywhere. Lincoln used a lot of political capital to twist arms in the Congress to get the needed 2/3rd's majorities. He even signed the document despite the President having no official part in the process. While final ratification by the states took until December of 1865 and Lincoln didn't see the final step (murdered by a fanatic like today's Al Qaeda or Neo-Confederates), he was the driving force behind the Amendment's passage.

The Neo-Confederates on this board clearly need to stop preaching on this board. Instead, they need to onto the streets of DC or Harlem and start telling people that they shouldn't be free. I'm sure that you'll find plenty of people just willing to become the Neo's property. But that would require the courage to tell lies away from the safety of their PC's.

"But the Thirteenth Amendment ended slavery in the US everywhere. Lincoln used a lot of political capital to twist arms in the Congress to get the needed 2/3rd's majorities."

I heard that Lincoln packed the union. That is to say that he got congress to admit Nevada to the union even though it did not have the constitutionaly required population because he needed the votes to get the 13th passed. That must have galled Roosevelt when he couldn't get away with the same scheme for the supreme court.

Are you unable to grasp the simple concept that people can disagree with Lincoln and *gasp* not be a "neo-confederate" or other common simple minded attempted slurs? Since when is one automatically a supporter of slavery if one adheres to the concept of government as envisioned by Jefferson or is against abuses of power as was seen during Lincolns presidency?? And what "lies" have those critical of Lincoln been stating here? Please cite examples and opposing FACTS.

"I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races.... I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position." - Abraham Lincoln, August 21, 1858, debate in Ottawa, Illinois with Stephan Douglas.

“Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right --a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is the right confined to cases I which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit." - Abraham Lincoln, January 12, 1848.

On emancipation, "Free them, and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this . . . . We cannot, then make them equals." - Abraham Lincoln.

First of all your own post confirms that Lincoln did not free all the slaves. I never denied that the slaves were ultimately freed as a result of actions occuring after his death. Moreover, his effort to sent the freed slaves to Africa or the Haiti also went no where, though he also tried to push that.

I have read this thread and (unlike you) I haven't seen anyone advocating the reinstitution of slavery. Perhaps you have been learning your facts and logic from the Clinton administration.

The Neo-Confederates on this board clearly need to stop preaching on this board. Instead, they need to onto the streets of DC or Harlem and start telling people that they shouldn't be free.

That's what galls the neo-confederates about President Lincoln. He helped advance human freedom.

Walt

Lincoln used a lot of political capital to twist arms in the Congress to get the needed 2/3rd's majorities.

Did that 2/3rds include any southern states?

"No state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate" - Article V, US Constitution

Rump Congresses are invalid congresses.