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To: GOPcapitalist
South Carolina revoked that deed with their secession ordinance

Where? Nothing in that document revoked title to Sumter, nor was there an act of the legislature that did that. They just decided to take what they wanted, by any means.

It is the difference between ringing the doorbell and showing up at 2am with a shotgun.

The resupply effort showed up during daylight, hours after the southern attack had begun. What is threatening about that, especially when it was not unexpected. The south knew the resupply effort was underway and what the intentions were.

False.

Instructions to Robert Chew:

"You will proceed directly to Charleston, South Carolina: and if, on your arrival there, the flag of the United States shall be flying over Fort Sumpter (sic), and the Fort shall not have been attacked, you will procure an interview with Governor Pickens and read to him as follows:

'I am directed by the President of the United States to notify you to expect an attempt will be made to supply Fort Sumpter (sic) with provisions only; and that, if such attempt be not resisted, no effort to throw in men, arms, or ammunition will be made, without further notice, or in case of attack on the Fort.'"

Lincoln's actions were made plain, there was nothing Clintonesque about it. The Lincoln administration had made no attempt at landing men or munitions, they had not tried to sneak anything in. The administration had not taken any hostile actions whatsoever, in the face of provocation after provocation on the part of the Davis regime. Lincoln wanted peace, Davis wanted war, it's as simple as that.

335 posted on 11/11/2003 4:11:32 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Where? Nothing in that document revoked title to Sumter, nor was there an act of the legislature that did that.

South Carolina Secession Ordinance:

"that the union now subsisting between South Carolina and other States, under the name of the "United States of America," is hereby dissolved."

Dissolving a union repeals all laws carried out tying the former state to that union. One of those laws was for Fort Sumter.

The resupply effort showed up during daylight, hours after the southern attack had begun.

Wrong. They began grouping off of Charleston in the middle of the night before the fort was attacked. The Harriet Lane made its infamous first shot sometime in the late evening or early morning.

What is threatening about that, especially when it was not unexpected.

So in other words, as long as you announce to me in advance that you are going to show up at 2AM with a shotgun I have no choice but to let you in? Lincoln's actions were made plain, there was nothing Clintonesque about it.

Sure there was:

Compare "and that, if such attempt be not resisted, no effort to throw in men, arms, or ammunition will be made, without further notice, or in case of attack on the Fort" to "[repell] by force, if necessary, all obstructions towards provisioning the fort and re-enforcing it; for in case of resistance to the peaceable primary object of the expedition a re-enforcement of the garrison will also be attempted," the message given to the fleet. The first is a passive statement emphasizing that there will be no effort to throw in men while making no clear statement that one would follow from resistance. The second is an active statement ordering them to fight their way in the second they counter any resistance.

349 posted on 11/11/2003 8:26:34 AM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: Non-Sequitur
Lincoln wanted peace

Yeah right. Lincoln wanted peace about as much as Saddam Hussein did! He made a series of completely hollow and meaningless overatures towards the south that he cannot have failed to know they would reject with good reason. If you believe that he truly meant peace then you will believe Saddam truly tried to get rid of his chemical weapons in that 10,000 page report to the UN he filed.

352 posted on 11/11/2003 8:30:44 AM PST by GOPcapitalist
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