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To: beavus
After re-reading your #300, I see that you and I are arguing on different points entirely.

The Bishop is not making a statement about (quoting you) "**why** we value humans over other things."

He is making a statement about **when** ""the embryo should be accorded the status of an individual human with rights to care, protection and life.""

He assumes that humans have rights, but uses false logic about the science of embryology.

302 posted on 11/13/2003 7:11:06 AM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: hocndoc
The Bishop is not making a statement about (quoting you) "**why** we value humans over other things."

Almost no one in this debate ever does. Too bad, since the "why" is the basis of every aspect of this debate.

He is making a statement about **when** ""the embryo should be accorded the status of an individual human with rights to care, protection and life.""

He should realize that any attempt to set any precise "when" can only be as principled as setting a height limit at a carnival ride, or setting the legal drinking age at 1 min after midnight on your 18th birthday.

He should also realize that not being able to connect the "when" with the "why" represents a conceptual break that dehumanizes the whole debate. Whether the people involved in this debate have made that fatal break, or simply have no interest in expressing the connection that they maintain in their thoughts, I can't say.

303 posted on 11/15/2003 6:59:00 AM PST by beavus
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