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To: Brian S
"His blood be on us and all our children" (Matt. 27:5)

As spoken in sync with jewish oral traditions of condemnation, and as spoken by a crowd of jews, to Pontius Pilate, a Roman, pleaded with them to spare Jesus, and including members of the Sanhedren, and the keepers of the temple.

A distinct part of the passion of christ, that gives animation to the idea of salvation through ressurection, is that Jesus was rejected and condemned by his own people, the jews. It is, furthermore, a distinct and promenent part of the doctrine of salvation through resurrection that those who know OF Jesus, but do not accept him as savior, are condemned. This exactly describes central religeous tenates of orthodox jewery. Recite the Shema, and think about it for a minute, if you have some doubt about this.

There is no historical controversy, or ambiguity attending the historical record that this was the basis for second class citizenship (not to mention numerous mass murders) of jews for about 800 years, in catholic europe.

Orthodox christian churches have been contorting their doctrines into pretzels to distance themselves from this sorry record, ever since the catholic churches' role in the Holocaust has come under scrutiny, but it is rather hard to cover up the hundreds of passages like the one from Matthew I just quoted, in the Gospels, that disparage jews, or jewish traditions, or particular jewish sects.

Do you imagine that christians should consider the new testement, (lets take Matthew(27:5) for example) to be amorphous, vague guidelines that should be just laughed off when they seem a bit embarassing to modern sensibilities?

I am told that the film modifies Matthew(27:5)--small wonder.

8 posted on 11/03/2003 9:01:07 AM PST by donh (1)
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To: donh
ever since the catholic churches' role in the Holocaust has come under scrutiny,

Given that the Catholic Church's role in the Holocaust consisted mainly in saving many many thousands of Jews and pissing off Hitler, I'm curious to know what you might mean by this.

10 posted on 11/03/2003 9:14:33 AM PST by jscd3
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To: donh
True enough. But the modern Christian interpretation is that this is not aimed at the Jews per se -- but rather all of us. That we -- who now call ourselves Christian -- would have been right in the midst of the rabble, saying the same thing. We share a collective guilt for which we are forgiven only by grace. The grace of the same One we condemned.

Matthew 27:5 serves only as an anti-semitic verse to those who want an anti-semitic cop out.
46 posted on 11/03/2003 2:21:27 PM PST by Gulf War One
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