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To: donh
My personal favorite is how anti-Pius sites use the fact that he didn't protest the murder of Jews in LITHUANIA as evidence against him! Lithuania! Where they had just made any religious weddings illegal! Where all Church land was being transferred to the State!

But Pius didn't flick a lightning bolt from the Holy See and stop the murder of Jews in a country where Catholicism for almost all intents and purposes was outlawed! The Communists always march to the beat of the Vatican's drum, we all know that. He should have sent more protests to the Lithuanian government over the poor treatment of Jews! The fact that he didn't proves he didn't care!

It's so sad, it really is. The Communist propaganda tactics are obvious for anyone who cares to see it.

Qwinn
32 posted on 11/03/2003 1:05:46 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: Qwinn
My personal favorite is how anti-Pius sites use the fact that he didn't protest the murder of Jews in LITHUANIA as evidence against him! Lithuania! Where they had just made any religious weddings illegal! Where all Church land was being transferred to the State!

Where he did not protest, was in Germany, where they were being gassed, until near the end of the war, just as he promised to do in the accords he signed with Hitler.

But Pius didn't flick a lightning bolt from the Holy See and stop the murder of Jews in a country where Catholicism for almost all intents and purposes was outlawed!

"all intents and purposes, eh"? That would be a good trick if it were true, since about half of the German army, like the German population, would have been catholic. I'll say this one more time, for those with apparent ADD--Pius protested the gassing of infirm old catholics and protestants, and it stopped dead in it's tracks. He did not protest the gassing of ALL jews, and it did not stop dead in it's tracks.

Let me just point out that the Pope is not primarily some lame italian prince who is supposed to read Machiavelli, and defend the holy see at all costs (in this case, probably virtually no cost). He is supposed to be the Shepard of the Lord and the Voice of Jesus. He is supposed to raise his voice to protest vast moral iniquities--like he did for the infirm in Germany. Why are the infirm worthy of such high moral concern, and the jews are not?

The answer is pretty obvious, unless you are just determined to ram your head into the sand as hard as you can by considering anything other than the relevant facts. Lithuania, indeed. Dinner testimonials indeed.

The Communists always march to the beat of the Vatican's drum, we all know that.

Uh, huh. That must be why Pius the silent excommunicated them all.

He should have sent more protests to the Lithuanian government over the poor treatment of Jews! The fact that he didn't proves he didn't care!

It's so sad, it really is. The Communist propaganda tactics are obvious for anyone who cares to see it.

It's so sad, the hysterical irrelevancies Pius's defenders manage to dredge up.

42 posted on 11/03/2003 1:55:40 PM PST by donh (1)
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