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To: donh
Oh goodie! Another "Catholics are worse than Nazis" bigot to eviscerate.

Your bigotry -really- shines when you make absurd claims that your version of history is "uncontested". Oh -really-?

Then why, indeed, did the whole world including the entire Jewish Community praise Pius at the end of the war? Why were there no condemnations until a 7 hour! play debuted in 1963 by a German Protestant left-wing playwright that was almost completely fictional? Couldn't be a little, oh, Communist vendetta could it?

The record of his using his office to help Jews was -sparse-? LOL!

I would say the Allies air-dropping Pope Pius XII's first encyclical over Germany in order to raise anti-Nazi sentiment would count as using his office.

I would say that his ordering protests to the Vichy government for deporting Jews counts as using his office.

I would say that 80% of Jews in Europe being killed, as opposed to 80% of Jews in Italy (where he had the most sway) -surviving-, directly as a result of Pius's orders to all Catholics to hide Jews, and to hundreds being hidden in the Vatican itself, counts as using his office.

I would say Albert Einsten is a more credible source than you are, in Time Magazine, December 23 1940:

"Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks...

"Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly."

I would also say that the first Israeli President and two Israeli Prime Ministers were a little closer to the issues than you were. And I would also say that the following organizations praising him for his great help in saving Jews at his funeral counts a little more than you do:

the World Jewish Congress
the Anti-Defamation League
the Synagogue Council of America
the Rabbinical Council of America
the American Jewish Congress
the New York Board of Rabbis
the American Jewish Committee
the Central Conference of American Rabbis
the American Jewish Committee
the Central Conference of American Rabbis
the National Conference of Christians and Jews
the National Council of Jewish Women.

Rabbi David Dalin's stunning 2001 defense of Pius XII, from the Weekly Standard:

http://www.traces-cl.com/apr2001/pio.htm

Qwinn



30 posted on 11/03/2003 1:01:49 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: Qwinn; Campion
Thanks for jumping in guys.
35 posted on 11/03/2003 1:15:09 PM PST by jscd3
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