[donh]

No seriously. Every point you have made has been refuted.

Really? Who refuted my description of the conflict between the Shema and the doctine of salvation? Who refuted the quote from Matthew? Who refuted my claim regarding the invention of forced ghetto-ization by the catholic church?

Dozens of people have come on to this thread to tell you what biggoted jackass you are.

Yes, well, we don't vote on matters of fact and conscience, now do we?

You have demonstrated a nonexistant understanding of the Catholic Religion.

Which is not in the least relevant, now is it? Except, of course, to those who would prefer that only the annointed discuss their rather immoral historical behavior in public.

At this point it appears that you are continuing for two reasons: You hate Catholics, and you are unable to admit that you are wrong.

I do not hate catholics, per se--several of my family are practicing catholics, and I happy to admit I was wrong on this thread regarding several statistical points, and an overboard summary description of PIUS XII early in this discussion. What I hate, is when a large institution does serious damage to an entire group of people, and it takes thousands of hours of painstaking scholarship, and political wrangling to get it published, to say "I'm marginally sorry, and I PROBABLY won't do it again", and then most of it's adherents refuse to read it or acknowledge it.

My religion prevents me from acting as an enabler to your nerosis,

Really? Could you quote the scripture underlying this proscription?

but even if it didn't, I am just bored of your lame comebacks

Well, it's pretty painfully obvious that that's not true.

[TomB]

From Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust

The Israeli consul, Pinchas E. Lapide, in his book, Three Popes and the Jews (New York: Hawthorn Books, Inc., 1967) critically examines Pope Pius XII. According to his research, the Catholic Church under Pius XII was instrumental in saving 860,000 Jews from Nazi death camps (p. 214). Could Pius have saved more lives by speaking out more forcefully? According to Lapide, the concentration camp prisoners did not want Pius to speak out openly (p. 247). As one jurist from the Nuremberg Trials said on WNBC in New York (Feb. 28, 1964), "Any words of Pius XII, directed against a madman like Hitler, would have brought on an even worse catastrophe... [and] accelerated the massacre of Jews and priests." (Ibid.) Yet Pius was not totally silent either. Lapide notes a book by the Jewish historian, Jenoe Levai, entitled, The Church Did Not Keep Silent (p. 256). He admits that everyone, including himself, could have done more. If we condemn Pius, then justice would demand condemning everyone else. He concludes by quoting from the Talmud that "whosoever preserves one life, it is accounted to him by Scripture as if he had preserved a whole world." With this he claims that Pius XII deserves a memorial forest of 860,000 trees in the Judean hills (pp. 268-9). It should be noted that six million Jews and three million Catholics were killed in the Holocaust."