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700,000-860,000.

But I'm certain you already knew this. You just can't help but spin to make the Church look bad. Agenda much?

860,000/6,000,000 is a ratio barely above the noise-level of speaker hiss. The Vicar of Christ can order the excommunication of any catholic participating in an unholy act. The Vicar of Christ can order german church marriage and birth records destroyed. The Vicar of Christ can, and did, sign documents committing the Holy See to silence regarding "polltical" questions in Germany. Yes or no? It's a pretty simple question, really. Amazing how hard it is to get a straight answer to it.

I'm sorry, but I can't take -anyone- seriously who completely and utterly dismisses 860,000 human lives as if they are nothing. History would be saying that 7 million Jews died instead of 6. Instead of 80% of all Jews in Europe killed, it would have been 92%. Almost a million lives are "barely above the noise-level of speaker hiss"?!

And you've been answered a dozen times. Why didn't the Pope take the most extreme actions that he could, like excommunicating millions or declaring a state of "war" with no standing army? For the same reasons the Red Cross didn't either. It would have saved not one single life, every Jew alive at the time recognized the need for silence on the part of those trying to help them, and it would have made it impossible for Catholics to help the Jews they did. A million more Jews would be dead today - plus untold more Catholics as well, though it's quite obvious they don't matter to you.

I know you think it's more important to be the "Voice" of Christ than the "Hand" of Christ. It's more important to speak out and be impotent to save a million lives than to tone down useless rhetoric that would have accomplished nothing more than his statements already had, and instead risk their own lives to save them.

He spoke out to the whole world that racism was wrong a great many times, covered in front page headlines across the world. If there were Catholics who chose to totally ignore that, I'm not sure how excommunicating them would have suddenly made them say - "Oh, gee, I ignored the Pope when I was Catholic, but gee whillickers, I better start listening to the Pope now that I'm not Catholic anymore!" It would have accomplished nothing except to get more Jews and Catholics killed - but hey, 60 years later, -you- would have respected it more. I'm personally far happier he chose the way he did.

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