ABC: Oswald did it

Dallas Morning News ^ | 11/1/2003

[Bigun]

Were I trying to keep a secret, it would seem to me to be a lot easier to convince people that another divergent secret exists, and point them in that direction to argue over for 40 years, while the original facts die of old age before they can be discovered.

EXCELLANT point!

[Shooter 2.5]

No idea but it probably has something to do with the fact his first shot missed the limo completely and the bullet fragment or concrete hit a guy at the overpass.

Maybe he figured the windshield would be in the way?

Check the earthcam to figure out which view is easiest for you.

[LibKill]

None of the media or government re-enactors have been able to do it..

So there, neener neener

And nanner nanner booey to you too!

Seriously, the first error is that Oswald could not have worked the bolt-action rifle three times in the time alloted.

The problem with this is that the rifle was loaded and only required one pull of the trigger before reloading for the second and third shots.

And yes, I could do it. So could many here.

Are you familiar with any kind of firearms?

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Oswald reminds me of that cia guy who didn't know he was used for lsd experiments that jumped out the hotel window ... crazy - duped - stooge - dead (( convienently )) 22 posted on 11/01/2003 12:17 PM PST by f.Christian

Probably closer to the truth than you would think. The JFK assassination had very little to do with classic liberal-vs.-conservative matters. Oswald was trained at the spook base at Atsugi, Japan and had links with Naval Intel in the late '50s. Somewhere personal enemies like Allen Dulles and J. Edgar Hoover, Oswald entered the clandestine realm. If he did it alone he's the greatest post-mortem "ghost" serial killer of witnesses and those who knew too much in history. ABC is full of crap. As usual.

Kennedy was a seriously flawed man and a questionable president, a hero for liberals, etc. But an intelligent group planned and designed that little episode in Dallas. Haven't been so many post-event convenient suicides since...well...since all of Clinton's friends... [irony]

Someone has gone to extraordinarily bizarre lengths to try to get people to buy the Oswald as "lone nut"/"lone gunman" crapolla. It's safe to say Oswald did not fake JFK's autopsy photos. He couldn't have killed William Bruce Pitzer or Rose Cheramie. Too many weird and odd details in the JFK maze for one marine, whatever the marksmanship skills. There was a "badge man." There was smoke on the grassy knoll. Eyewitnesses have testified to that. There was a man with an umbrella, for God's sake. Fake myserious agents confiscated cameras and film. A powerful cabal organized this. They weren't "conservatives." Neither was LBJ. If ABC is "in" on the absurd cover-up, we can assume they share some agenda with the assassination cabal. Follow the money...connect the dots... You can't hoodwink all of the people, all of the time. As much as they try... ABC also shut down valid investigations of Clinton.

Fletcher Prouty, a loyal American, had nothing to gain by coming forward. To believe Oswald acted alone you have to asssume all those other witnesses were insane or hallucinating. Oswald is in New Orleans in 1963 with other spooks involved with Cuba. Come on...

[Pukin Dog]

Thank you.

It is really quite simple. I dont know why people continue to argue over whether or not Oswald killed Kennedy, when at the same time that it is official government policy that Oswald acted alone, it is that same government providing all the reasons for interested parties to doubt that conclusion.

What ever happened to critical thinking?

We use diversions to cover up almost anything we dont want to show or share. Flat-chested women get big fake boobs. The fact that the woman is still flat-chested, is completly forgotten, because the diversion steals all the attention. When the diversion is sexier than the truth, the truth disapears from view, and can hide forever in plain site.

We are stuck arguing whether the shots came from the front or the back, while what we KNOW is that JFK's brains ended up in Jackie's lap, and his scalp ended up on the hood of the car, until Jackie retrieved it. So, where did the bullet come from? Who the hell cares?

Why does no one ever ask anymore why there were bullets flying in the first place? Because how things happen is easier to accept then why.

[Pukin Dog]

Someone has gone to extraordinarily bizarre lengths to try to get people to buy the Oswald as "lone nut"/"lone gunman" crapolla.

Are you sure about that? I think 'someone' has gone to even more extrordinary lengths to make sure that while they push that story, that almost no one believes it, setting up a argument-vortex that has sucked all other options out of the story.

[PaulJ]

Very good points. And in this case they could be valid if only a few people were "in on" the secrets. But I often hear "the government" knows the truth. And to me "the government" means many people.Many elected officials currently in and out of public life. And the idea that not one of them, in 40 years, has let the cat out of the bag seems ludicrous. And that's what I meant by my original post. Perhaps there are some folks out there that really do know a different truth. But I can't imagine a scenario where there are scores of politicians who know the truth about the Kennedy assasination (and aliens), and are keeping mum.

[tpaine]

Because he missed his 1st shot, [or was it the 2nd?] according to the Reports own theory.. -- Whichever.

The miss didn't leave him enought time to cycle the action, aim, & fire the 'magic' bullet, --- then cycle the action, aim, & fire the head shot.

None of the expert marksmen re-enactors could do it. NO ONE ever has..
It's all there, timed to the fractions of seconds on the Z film, which we are about to see "animated" for our viewing amazement.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

You know how "disinformation" and propaganda work in counter-intelligence? The whole thing was designed to lead in a hundred different directions - a fake Commie defector who lived in Russia, mafia, Cubans... To belive Oswald master-minded the whole thing and acted alone every piece of information from witnesses which leads to conspiracy has to be explained away. There's too much. The guy who saw badge man is lying. The lady who had her film confiscated is lying. Rose Cheramie was lying... Fletcher Prouty is lying... Ruby lied... The photos lie... It just goes on and on.

Now, what you have to ask is what is so important underlying all this which requires such outrageously absurd "debunking"...

[anka]

"Who's the only person that gained anything by Kennedy's murder?"


IT WAS ZAPRUDER!!!!!!!!!!

;-p

[Allan]

If Peter Jennings and Arlen Specter agree, it must be true.

[Toskrin]

Alright, I'll try it. Here's a photo of the same bullet from the back:

The primary deformation of the bullet is the flattening seen on the upper portion of the bullet, and only at the rear. The entrance wound in Connally's back was longitudinal, suggesting the bullet was tumbling after leaving Kennedy's neck. It would have continued to tumble upon entering Connally's wrist and probably stuck the bone side-on, near the rear, slightly flattening it. The bullet weighed 158.6 grains. Other similar bullets weighed an average of 161 grains.

Here are the fragments sugically removed from Connally's wrist:

The fragments are composed of lead and trace elements identical to those of the inner core of the bullet. They weigh 2.3 grains.

[ALASKA]

Sounds like we are in agreement....... Men with Secret Service ID stopping people from looking behind the fence on the Grassy Knoll (the government has stated there were no SS agents on the ground in Dealy Plaza that day), the fact that a much better shot(s) was not taken as JFK approached the Depository, Parkland Dr's statements as to the wounds, the tracheotomy which obliterated an entrance wound from the front with no exit, hard evidence of more than three shots, and on and on. Too many strange things.

[Temple Owl]

Did Peter Jennings confer with Arlen Specter?

[PaulJ]

IT WAS ZAPRUDER!!!!!!!!!!

LOL! Thanks for the best laugh of my day!

[Pukin Dog]

But I often hear "the government" knows the truth.

So do I. That doesnt make it true, however.

Consider a situation where the President of the United States gets his head blown off in front of hundreds of people. If you were the government, would you want people to think you KNOW what happened? Can you imagine the public reaction if the government came out and said they DIDNT know? What would the impact be to our national security if our enemies had reason to believe our government did not know how it's leader was killed?

I havent seen anything proving that the government knows what happened that day, but I have seen a whole lot of evidence from the government trying to convince the world that they know. And how best to do that? No matter what story told, there would be doubters, right? So it makes sense to me, (though I honestly dont know) that they would easier convince you that they know, by giving you what would appear to be obvious BS regarding Oswald, which would suggest more strongly to most people that they DO know what REALLY happened, but that they just dont want to tell YOU.

Diversions.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Personally I despise the Kennedys. But there are too may odd details, too many witnesses, too many strange stories in this bizarre maze to have been directed by one marine. One of the kookiest parts of the JFK saga has been this spin that Oliver Stone invented the "conspiracy theory" of the assassination. Stone borrowed heavily from Jim Garrison and High Treason. Whether the murder had anything to do with Vietnam may never be known. You don't need to know the motive to demonstrate one man could not have managed to get the Secret Service, Dallas police, and FBI men to do his bidding.

Whether it's some faction in the 54-12 Group or some other government-corporate cabal doesn't matter in terms of showing Oswald cannot be the one master-minding the whole thing. The Mafia could not exercise control over the Secret Service, Dallas Police, FBI, CIA, AND the Warren Commission.

[tpaine]

The problem with this is that the rifle was loaded and only required one pull of the trigger before reloading for the second and third shots.

Are you familiar with any kind of firearms?
-lib-

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See 149 about the time line of shots.

In '63 I had a federal firearms gunsmiths license, and was building a collection of double shotguns & single shot rifles, some of which I still own. Many more that I wish I'd never sold.


How bout you? Got any of them more bolt actions that "only required one pull of the trigger before reloading for the second and third shots"?
Neat gun..

[cardinal4]

Peter Jennings is involved? This show will find a way to blame Bush..