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In loco parentis ___ Artificial wombs might end abortion
Worldmagazine ^ | 01 November 2003 | Gene Edward Veith

Posted on 10/28/2003 1:11:26 PM PST by Lorianne

SCIENTISTS ARE REPORTEDLY WELL ON THEIR WAY to developing an artificial womb. At Cornell, womb cells have been replicated and fashioned into an out-of-body receptacle that has kept human embryos alive for several days, before the experiment—and the babies—were terminated to comply with in-vitro fertilization laws. Japanese researchers have devised chambers of amniotic fluid with nutrient pumps to nourish developing baby goats. Though some scientists doubt whether a human baby could be brought to term completely outside a mother's body—a process known technically as "ectogenesis"—others believe solving the technical difficulties is just a matter of time, possibly as little as five years.

Even though an artificial womb could make the family technologically obsolete, the prospect is panicking the abortion industry and cheering many pro-life activists.

Writing in the liberal New Republic, Sacha Zimmerman argues that the artificial womb will be, in the words of her title, "The Real Threat to Roe v. Wade." "If and when" ectogenesis is perfected, she writes, "the legal and philosophical premises underpinning Roe could be completely dismantled."

Roe vs. Wade rests on two principles: the viability of the fetus and the woman's right to privacy. As Ms. Zimmerman explains it, an artificial womb would mean that the fetus would be viable from the moment of conception. The developing baby could, at any point, survive outside the woman's body. As for the right to privacy, strangely construed by Roe vs. Wade to imply the right not to be pregnant, removing an unwanted baby and transferring him or her into an artificial womb would be no more intrusive than obtaining an abortion.

With the availability of artificial wombs, the old pro-abortion canard "I have the right to do whatever I want to with my body" would no longer apply. The life of her baby no longer need depend on her body. If a woman does not want to be pregnant, the child could be removed from her womb and implanted into an artificial one for subsequent adoption.

In response, some "pro-choicers" are proving that they are, in fact, pro-death. Feminist philosopher Christine Overall, in her book Human Reproduction: Principles, Practices, Policies, insists that abortion is all about the right not to procreate, not just the right not to be pregnant. She maintains that "fetal extinction" needs to be the goal.

On the other side of the issue, many pro-life activists are hailing the technology, which they believe may turn the tide in the abortion debate. Not only would ectogenesis undo the legal foundations of Roe vs. Wade, it would convince the public—which could see the babies growing in amniotic tanks—that life begins with conception. Artificial wombs could save the lives of untold millions of babies.

Some on both sides of the debate are arguing that the artificial womb could be a solution to the whole contentious issue, a win-win proposition, as abortion would no longer be necessary.

But while the artificial womb may be beneficial in battling the holocaust of abortion, it comes with a monumental cost: the technological obsolescence of motherhood.

This may well be perceived as the ultimate medical victory. Just as medicine has cured many ailments and mitigated so much human suffering, now there will be a cure for the pains of childbearing. What woman would voluntarily choose the discomforts of pregnancy and the suffering of labor when her baby instead could simply come out of a machine?

Women would be obsolete. Their all-important power to engender and bear children would be transferred to a machine, liberating them from motherhood and handing feminists a huge victory.

The family would also be obsolete. Sex has already been divorced from procreation by birth-control technology and a popular culture that has promoted sex as entertainment sensation apart from the family. Already, sex is not even necessary for procreation, as a test tube and a petri dish can work just as well to conceive a new human life. Finish the baby up in an artificial womb, and pop it out when done. Children could be manufactured, in the numbers needed, by the state, which could raise them in specially designed schools. Who needs the family at all?

Women would be liberated from being wives and mothers. Men would be liberated from being husbands and fathers. Children would be liberated from their parents. Everyone could have sex with everyone else, according to their preferences, since sex would be liberated from both culture and biology. We would all live in a Brave New World.

Technology tends to hand us double-edged swords. Pro-family groups might use this particular sword as a weapon against mass abortion, but it can also be used to cut up the family once and for all.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; family; procreation; sex
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1 posted on 10/28/2003 1:11:26 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
Fascinating development. So, because the fetus can live outside the womb (in a fake one) and because the woman does not have to have the child inside her (her 'choice'), abortion goes away.

What is interesting is the idea of a solution such as this is taken by the left (Sarah Zimmerman) as a threat to reproductive rights. They would rather kill these babies then allow them to be born even if it does not inconvenience the mother any more than an abortion would.

Very telling attitude.

Gum

2 posted on 10/28/2003 1:16:53 PM PST by ChewedGum (http://king-of-fools.com)
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To: Jonathon Spectre
Zion ping
3 posted on 10/28/2003 1:21:08 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Lorianne
Everyone could have sex with everyone else, according to their preferences, since sex would be liberated from both culture and biology.

I don't know. How many women are going to want invasive surgery to implant their child in an artificial womb?

And I don't see how motherhood and fatherhood would end. Something has to be done with these kids.

That all said, it's a pretty spooky thing.

4 posted on 10/28/2003 1:26:53 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Lorianne
Huxley, you were a visionary.

Just keep the alcohol out of the blood-surrogates, and remember to practice "The Method"...
5 posted on 10/28/2003 1:30:27 PM PST by jae471
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To: Lorianne
Only government approved fetuses will be allowed in government hatcheries.
7 posted on 10/28/2003 1:33:55 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: Lorianne
bump .... sppoky indeed .. it's a Brave New World
8 posted on 10/28/2003 1:37:08 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Virtue untested is innocence)
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To: jae471
Huxley, you were a visionary.

Just what I was thinking. Sick New World.

9 posted on 10/28/2003 1:37:09 PM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Lorianne
Sacha Zimmerman argues that the artificial womb will be, in the words of her title, "The Real Threat to Roe v. Wade." "If and when" ectogenesis is perfected, she writes, "the legal and philosophical premises underpinning Roe could be completely dismantled." Alas, the truth behind the defenders of abortion on demand is far more sinister ... they believe, really believe, that a woman must have the right to kill a fellow human being in order to avoid the reality of that human being adversely effecting her 'quality of life' (or his, in the case of a male pushing her to abortion) by receiving responsibilities to that fellow, innocently conceived, human being.
10 posted on 10/28/2003 1:43:43 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Lorianne
...At Cornell...

City of evil ping! Who runs those?

11 posted on 10/28/2003 1:44:55 PM PST by Petronski (Living life in a minor key.)
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To: The Old Hoosier
I don't know. How many women are going to want invasive surgery to implant their child in an artificial womb? Few. That's the point. And the procedure would be no more invasive than an abortion.

The artificial womb would negate all of the standard arguments for abortion.

I think it's a good development in that regard. Another good development of this is that the co-procreaters could be required to pay the government to keep the fetus/baby alive and cared for unless or until he is adopted. That would make both persons at least financially responsible for the fetus/baby/child created regardless if they wish to keep the baby themselves. This would have the effect of bringing home the main issue, that both parties to sex are responsible for the consequence of procreation.

Overall, I think it clears up the issues involved so that no one can hide behind murky reasoning for abortion. It will force the pro-"choice" crowd (both men and women) to admit that they want the fetus killed no matter what, whether it is in the mother or not. It's not that they don't want to be mothers/fathers as many claim as a reason for abortion .... in truth, they don't want the child to exist at all.

12 posted on 10/28/2003 1:46:30 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: jae471
Just keep the alcohol out of the blood-surrogates

Epsilon -- er, uh -- Edward Kennedy appears to have started out with way too much alcohol in his blood surrogate.


13 posted on 10/28/2003 1:48:14 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Pining for the fjords.)
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To: Lorianne
Abortion is almost never about ending a pregnancy, per se. It is almost always about killing the baby. Proof? Consider all of the reasons that people give for having an abortion and ask yourself, "If the woman were to go to the clinic and simply have the baby removed alive, to live out its life, would the reason why she chose to have an abortion be satisfied?" In almost every case, the answer is "No."
14 posted on 10/28/2003 1:55:16 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Lorianne
I wouldn't be too surprised if some mothers elect to have their babies raised outside of the womb as opposed to all the real pain-and numerous inconveniences that make pregnancy so hard. But it wouldn't be so good for the baby along with the mother for similar reasons as why breastfeeding is better than formula
16 posted on 10/28/2003 1:55:30 PM PST by arielb
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To: Lorianne
Women would be liberated from being wives and mothers. Men would be liberated from being husbands and fathers. Children would be liberated from their parents. Everyone could have sex with everyone else, according to their preferences, since sex would be liberated from both culture and biology. We would all live in a Brave New World.

That's quite a leap. I seem to remember the same predictions about surrogate motherhood.

17 posted on 10/28/2003 2:10:49 PM PST by wizardoz (Palestinians are just dynamite!)
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To: Question_Assumptions
Exactly. When women in abortion clinics are polled as to the reasons for the abortion decision, not wanting to be pregnant or give birth is not among the reasons given. Similarly, the same reasons given by women could just as easily be (and often are) given by men who would be the fathers. Pregnancy and childbirth is not at issue in abortion decisions (despite that being the basis of Roe v. Wade). Parenthood and responsibility, especially the prospect of sole responsibility, are the issue.
18 posted on 10/28/2003 2:14:29 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
They need to develop another part of the female anatomy so that those who date these "choicers" can by pass them totally!
19 posted on 10/28/2003 2:15:54 PM PST by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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To: Lorianne
"...technological obsolescence of motherhood..."

What rubbish. Motherhood is about raising a child, not about bearing it. Does the writer wish to see more people adopting children? If so, he should not be perpetuating a stigma that adoptive parents are not "real" parents. What utter ignorance.

20 posted on 10/28/2003 2:20:12 PM PST by ellery (It is not a right to die case.)
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