Town saw wife change when husband vanished

AP ^ | October 26, 2003 | Mike Wilson

[Lizavetta]

William Faulkner bump.

[witnesstothefall]

How is a response to a self-defense situation a "violence on women" fantasy?

Because the discussion on the thread, and the statement I made, was about physical abuse against women by men. But all of a sudden, it became the opposite, a discussion about women doing/threatening lethal violence against men, so as to justify or rationalize violence against women. That's why.

In short, your point was not germane. It's an amazing thing, whenever the subject of physical abuse of women comes up, a man appears who feels it's his mission to point out the extreme situations when violence against becomes heroic.

[paulklenk]

Leave it to the AP to take this one quote:

"She was free - like a weight had been lifted off her shoulders," said Mary Schmitz.

..And come up with THIS headline:

Town saw wife change when husband vanished

[dirtboy]

You laid down the gauntlet by making an absolute statement:

Any man who strikes a woman is not a man. Period.

So then don't complain when the thread takes a turn down that road.

[witnesstothefall]

I'm not the one complaining am I? I stated my opinion that a man who strikes a woman is not a man.

Our grandfathers would not have a problem with that statement, and that's clearly the spirit in which I meant it.

Many moralisms are stated in absolute terms, for the very good reason that it sends the message that the moral crime should never happen among moral people.

Morality lessons aren't very instructional if not expressed in absolute terms, are they?

But I understand your point. You were just making an argument, not imparting an idea.

[ArrogantBustard]

Miz MacKinnon is one of the premier, Grade A feminist extremists. I'll spare you the details, since you don't want to know.

Misogyny and misandry were invented sometime shortly after Adam and Eve bit the big one, probably as a direct result of their culinary errors. Currently, misandry is quite popular amongst the distaff "knuckle draggers". Check out the offerings in a greeting-card store. Or the Lifetime Movie Network. It ain't purty, and it's getting worse. But it will also pass; societal stupidity is always changing.

I consider physical violence and verbal cruelty unacceptable methods of settling interpersonal disputes for either sex. I don't think that's a particularly "modern" idea.

[Savage Beast]

Right. Next they'll announce that they've found Caddie Compson somewhere.

[dirtboy]

Morality lessons aren't very instructional if not expressed in absolute terms, are they?

Absolutism is the refuge of small minds. For example, the Ten Commandments say "Thou shall not kill" - but there are many situations where killing is justified and even moral. So one needs to engage the ol' brain to sort out individual situations. Otherwise, you're no better than those "zero-tolerance" nitwits who suspend a kid for bringing nail clippers to school.

[ArrogantBustard]

OBTW, do you think it's OK for a woman to beat on her husband?

[witnesstothefall]

I'll tell you what, you spend your time coming up with corollaries to the 10 Commandments (that God, He sure is small-minded isn't he!?), and I'll spend my time trying to stick to the straight and narrow.

Go in Peace.

[witnesstothefall]

You're being silly because I hurt your feelings I suspect. I think you and I actually agree, that violence is a horrible method to communicate.

I'm guilty of thinking that man-on-woman violence is slightly more contemptible than its inverse. So sue me.

[ArrogantBustard]

You sure hurt my feelings, all right... I apparently don't even rate a real, creative, intelligent flame from you.

Boo hoo. Sniff. ROFL.

man-on-woman violence is slightly more contemptible than its inverse

I used to think that, too. I've seen really vile misandric behaviour from women who are constantly ranting about "violence against women". The hypocricy seems to elude them. They want equality? Fine. I'll hold them in equal contempt as abusive men...

[witnesstothefall]

Boo hoo. Sniff. ROFL

May I ask how old you are? Very curious.

[avg_freeper]

The 3 "S"s

She got the the first and last "S-word" correct. But the middle one is not Spare bedroom.

[ArrogantBustard]

Many years older than the age you claim on your profile page.


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[dirtboy]

I'll tell you what, you spend your time coming up with corollaries to the 10 Commandments (that God, He sure is small-minded isn't he!?), and I'll spend my time trying to stick to the straight and narrow.

So, then, do you believe that it is always wrong to kill?

[shhrubbery!]

For example, the Ten Commandments say "Thou shall not kill" - but there are many situations where killing is justified and even moral. So one needs to engage the ol' brain to sort out individual situations. Otherwise, you're no better than those "zero-tolerance" nitwits who suspend a kid for bringing nail clippers to school.

I'm on the same side as you about "zero tolerance" in the schools.

But the Sixth Commandment is more accurately translated "Thou shalt not murder."

[MissAmericanPie]

The D.A. should let this case die on the vine. It's unwinnable.