In the case of Dane, I've heard it's loosely akin to fishing with hand grenades.
Dude dirtboy, if you are going to mention me by name in one of your replies(as you did in your reply #99) I would you request that you have the courage to "ping" me if you mention me by name(which it seems you do not have, IMO).
Oh BTW, I already know that I mentioned Jim, in one of my replies on this thread(with OWK), but in an earlier exchange with jmc813(where jmc813 used Jim's name and didn't ping Jim and where I pointed it out, Jim requested that he not be "pinged").
Fine with me, but I am also not Jim, and would request that if you(dirtboy) mention me by name in one of your replies, that you have the courage to "ping" me in the future.