[Hildy]

Hey, I don't go for the starvation thing, there must be a gentler way to do it. But don't start preaching to me about right and wrong, buddy.

[Babalu]

Not preaching at all. One either knows right from wrong, can distinguish between good and evil, or one does not. Sometimes it's not "relative" -- it's not about a gentler way to kill someone, or about a "more humane" way to do it, or even about finding a "legally acceptable" way to do it. I, and a lot of folks here believe, that it's just plain morally and ethically wrong (and to some of us a mortal sin.)

[Babalu]

And postulating that there must be a gentler way to do it is a non-sequiter ... Michael Schiavo is not seeking a "gentler" way to do it. He is precisely seeking to starve and deydrate this woman to death. That IS his side of the story in a nutshell -- so there you have his side of the story.

[Graymatter]

8 FACTS NOT DISPUTED BY MICHAEL SCHIAVO

1. Terri is not dying. (Living wills and advance directives, right-to-die issues, pertain to persons who are dying. ) The original cause of her condition and the present status of her condition are disputed, but she is not dying of her condition or any disease.

2. Terri left no written directive of any kind as to her wishes regarding medical treatment or withdrawal of it.

3. Michael sought and won an award specifically for her rehabilitation, saying nothing about her wishes at the time.

4. Soon after the funds were awarded, he claimed to remember her wishes, said she would not want to be kept alive in her present condition, and he has permitted no rehabilitation for Terri for the past ten years.

5. Michael has used a portion of Terri's medical award to hire personal security for himself, and a substantial amount of the award to pay attorneys to accomplish her death.

6. Terri has no guardian ad litem to safeguard her rights and interests against possible abuses by Michael, of his power as her legal guardian.

7. Terri's parents and siblings have publicly stated that Michael may keep all award money, that they want only to take care of Terri, out of love for her.

8. Michael has a fiancee and 2 children with this woman. While Terri lives, he remains married to her, legally obligated for her expenses, and the award money is almost completely spent. He has not denied that he holds life insurance on Terri. Divorce would not automatically prevent him from collecting on an insurance policy, but Terri's survival does.

That's only the top 8 facts NOT disputed by Michael Schiavo.