Posted on 10/23/2003 5:58:54 PM PDT by First_Salute
I have to admit, its hard not to get emotionally overwrought about this. The first time I read about the husband prohibiting the family from visiting her, I was ready to get in my car and drive 22 1/2 hours to Florida just so I could spit in his eye.
Then I realized I didn't know what he looked like. I mean, if he wore glasses, it would have been a wasted trip . . .
I have a lot of sympathy for people who have been following this story from the beginning. If I recall, Terri's fight has been on FR for several years. The best of all possible conclusions would be for Terri to be rehabilitated and go home with her family, while Michael Schiavo stands trial for abuse.
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I don't think anyone ever expected the charts to be examined or even a point of interest. The assumption at the time was that those involved could do as they wished, Terri would be killed and buried, and nobody would ever hear or care about it. However, the situation became known, largely through the internet, and a national issue. The best assumption a nurse or doctor can make in certain circumstances is that they will not be reviewed or caught. Even if there is a rewiew, the hypothetical existence of written evidence can be disposed of leaving it a matter of one person's word against someone else's or several someone elses.
There's no secret here that I am pro life and dubious of the judiciary. Certainly not on my part.
Step up to the plate and post something that should convince me that the judge was correct and the Florida Legislature was wrong.
's :-). No 's though. p's and q's in those pointy bracket thingies don't read out right.
Hopefully everything will come out in the wash.
What really disturbs me is the amount of support for the death of Terri. On the catholic usenet there are several people who want to pull the plug and hatred and scorn the Christians who are trying to save her, saying that they think they will get points in heaven or words to that effect. And the NY Times seems to want her dead, too.
If these affadavits are true, Terri does not sound like a woman who is ready to meet her maker.
AFFIDAVIT
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STATE OF FLORIDA
COUNTY OF PINELLAS
BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared HEIDI LAW who
being first duly sworn deposes and says:
1. My name is Heidi Law, I am over the age of 18 years, and make this statement on
personal information.
2. I worked as a Certified Nursing Assistant at the Palm Gardens nursing home from
March, 1997 to mid-summer of 1997. While I was employed at Palm Gardens,
occasionally I took care of Theresa Schiavo. Generally, I worked the 3 p.m. to 11
p.m. shift, but occasionally also would work a double shift, until 7 a.m. the
following morning.
3. At Palm Gardens, most of the patient care was provided by the CNAs, so I was in
a good position to judge Terri's condition and observe her reactions. Terri was
noticeable, because she was the youngest patient at Palm Gardens.
4. I know that Terri did not receive routine physical therapy or any other kind of
therapy. I was personally aware of orders for rehabilitation that were not being
carried out. Even though they were ordered, Michael would stop them. Michael
ordered that Terri receive no rehabilitation or range of motion therapy. I and
Olga would give Terri range of motion anyway, but we knew we were
endangering our jobs by doing so. We usually did this behind closed doors, we
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were so fearful of being caught. Our hearts would race and we were always
looking out for Michael, because we knew that, not only would Michael take his
anger out on us, but he would take it out more on Terri. We spoke of this many
times.
5. Terri had very definite likes and dislikes. Olga and I used to call Terri "Fancy
Pants," because she was so particular about certain things. She just adored her
baths, and was so happy afterward when she was all clean, smelling sweet from
the lotion her mother provided, and wearing the soft nightgowns her mother
laundered for her. Terri definitely did not like the taste of the teeth-cleaning
swabs or the mouthwash we used. She liked to have her hair combed. She did
not like being tucked in, and especially hated it if her legs were tightly tucked.
You would always tell when Terri had a bowel movement, as she seem agitated
and would sort of "scoot" to get away from it.
6. Every day, Terri was gotten up after lunch and sat in a chair all afternoon. When
Terri was in bed, she very much preferred to lie on her right side and look out the
window. We always said that she was watching for her mother. It was very
obvious that her mother was her favorite person in the whole world.
7. I worked side-by-side with another CNA named Olga and could tell that she and
Terri were especially close. Olga took a definite personal interest in Terri, and
Terri responded to her. I could tell that Terri was very satisfied and happy with
Olga's attentions to her.
8. When Olga was talking with Terri, Terri would follow Olga with her eyes. I have
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no doubt in my mind that Terri understood what Olga was saying to her. I could
tell a definite difference between the way Terri responded to Olga and the way
she reacted to me, until she got used to my taking care of her. Initially, she
"clammed up" with me, the way she would with anyone she did not know or was
not familiar or comfortable with. It took about the fourth or fifth time taking care
of her alone, without Olga, that Terri became relaxed and cooperative and non-
resistant with me.
9. Terri reacted very well to seeing a picture of her mother, which was in her room.
Many times when I came on duty it would be lying face down where she could
not see it.
10. At least three times during any shift where I took care of Terri, I made sure to
give Terri a wet washcloth filled with ice chips, to keep her mouth moistened. I
personally saw her swallow the ice water and never saw her gag. Olga and I
frequently put orange juice or apple juice in her washcloth to give her something
nice to taste, which made her happy. On three or four occasions I personally fed
Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she was able to swallow and enjoyed
immensely. I did not do it more often only because I was so afraid of being
caught by Michael.
11. On one occasion Michael Schiavo arrived with his girlfriend, and they entered
Terri's room together. I heard Michael tell his girlfriend that Terri was in a
persistent vegetative state and was dying. After they left, Olga told me that Terri
was extremely agitated and upset, and wouldn't react to anyone. When she was
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upset, which was usually the case after Michael was there, she would withdraw
for hours. We were convinced that he was abusing her, and probably saying
cruel, terrible things to her because she would be so upset when he left.
12. In the past, I have taken care of comatose patients, including those in a persistent
vegetative state. While it is true that those patients will flinch or make sounds
occasionally, they don't do it as a reaction to someone on a constant basis who is
taking care of them, the way I saw Terri do.
13. I witnessed a priest visiting Terri a couple of times. Terri would become quiet
when he prayed with her. She couldn't bow her head because of her stiff neck,
but she would still try. During the prayer, she would keep her eyes closed,
opening them afterward. She laughed at jokes he told her. I definitely know that
Terri "is in there."
14. The Palm Gardens staff, myself included, were just amazed that a "Do Not
Resuscitate" order had been put on Terri's chart, considering her age and her
obvious cognitive awareness of her surroundings.
15. During the time I cared for Terri, she formed words. I have heard her say
"mommy" from time to time, and "momma," and she also said "help me" a
number of times. She would frequently make noises like she was trying to talk.
Other staff members talked about her verbalizations.
16. Several times when Michael visited Terri during my shift, he went into her room
alone and closed the door. This worried me because I didn't trust Michael. When
he left, Terri was very agitated, was extremely tense with tightened fists and some
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times had a cold sweat. She was much less responsive than usual and would just
stare out the window, her eyes kind of glassy. It would take much more time and
effort than usual to work her hands open to clean her palms.
17. I was told by supervisory staff that Michael was Terri's legal guardian, and that it
didn't matter what the parents or the doctors or nurses wanted, just do what
Michael told you to do or you will lose your job. Michael would override the
orders of the doctors and nurses to make sure Terri got no treatment. Among the
things that Terri was deprived of by Michael's orders were any kind of testing,
dental care or stimulation. I was ordered by my supervisors to limit my time with
Terri. I recall telling my supervisor that Terri seemed abnormally warm to the
touch. I was told to pull her covers down, rather than to take her temperature. As
far as I know, Terri never left her room. The only stimulation she had was
looking out the window and watching things, and the radio, which Michael
insisted be left on one particular station. She had a television, and there was a
sign below it saying not to change the channel. This was because of Michael's
orders.
18. As a CNA, I wanted every piece of information I could get about my patients. I
never had access to medical records as a CNA, but it was part of my job duties to
write my observations down on sheets of paper, which I turned over to the nurse
at the nurses station for inclusion in the patients charts. In the case of Terri
Schiavo, I felt that my notes were thrown out without even being read. There
were trash cans at the nurses stations that we were supposed to empty each shift,
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and I often saw the notes in them. I made extensive notes and listed all of Terri's
behaviors, but there was never any apparent follow up consistent with her
responsiveness.
19. I discussed this situation with other personnel at Palm Gardens, particularly with
Olga, and another CNA, an older black man named Ewan Morris. We all
discussed the fact that we could be fired for reporting that Terri was responsive,
and especially for giving her treatment. The advice among the staff was "don't do
nothin', don't see nothin' and don't say nothin'." It was particularly distressing
that we always had to be afraid that if Michael got upset, he would take his anger
out on Terri.
20. I recall an incident when Olga became very upset because Terri started to get a
sore spot, because it might lead to a bedsore. Michael was told about it but didn't
seem to care. he didn't complain about it at all, in fact, saying "she doesn't know
the difference." When Terri would get a UTI or was sick, Michael's mood would
improve.
FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT.
<signed>
Heidi Law, Affiant
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STATE OF FLORIDA
COUNTY OF PINELLAS
Sworn to and subscribed before me this 30th day of August, 2003, by HEIDI LAW, who
produced a Florida Driver's License as identification.
<signed Thomas A. Brodersen>
Notary Public
My Commission expires:
<Notary seal of Thomas A. Brodersen>
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Please explain in detail exactly how that empty assertion works. Are you saying a person can not be emotionally involved at the conclusions of a judgement and this then reverts back into imcapacity to have made that judgement. How emotionally involved are you? I notice a string of posts here with you strenuously asserting your position. Does this debilitating emotional involvement apply only to other people?
Very true. However, I've been involved in cases much more distressing personally than this--the murder of my neighbor's daughter, a kindergartener, the murder of two of our clients within about a year, all three grotesque, violent murders. In all three cases, the ability to view them from afar was not an option. I was a witness. Been interviewed by the cops, the prosecutor, testified (and been beat up by criminal defense attorneys), all that stuff. But because I was a witness, and not an outside observer, I couldn't take a step back.
We are all outside observers in this case. We're not a member of the family and we didn't witness anything directly. People have deeply invested in this case for any number of reasons, and some have gotten into a state that bordered on hysteria. Because of that, it appears, no one is able to make corrections or to question. If one does so, the usual tactic is to insult, call names, flame and screed.
Do not inconvenience these pigs with facts.
I'd say correcting you on the difference between an affidavit and testimony was helpful. You learned something new today.
Like I said, you have nothing to add so you snipe. Snipe away!
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What I see here is an accusation blandly phrased as a question.
However, havings said that. Let's assume for a moment the parity of questionability of the positions of Terri's husband versus that of other members of the family and nurses who have cared for her. Wouldn't that suggest more caution in the rush to kill her? Sorry if bothers you that I maintain my ability to question.
I concur fully. - It's time for us to shift the direction of our effort, and try to blow the lid off of this septic tank. - We only have about a week to get this on national news and talk shows so that it can no longer be ignored.
It's time for a national Freep.
Oh, my, are we cranky tonight?
I'm not sniping. I'm telling you my opinion on the credibility of affidavits.
Your question seems to be why the affidavits the Schindlers have gathered are questioned. Oh, and how dare I?
Is that about it?
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Excuse me. Neither I nor many others here realized we were dealing with such a sensitive person. Maybe your mother will kiss it and make it feel better. I'm probably in error is perceiving you as a calloused person into mind games.
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